Why Jesus must be the Messiah

[aChristian]

Among the Jews, the family tree is very important, which can be seen just from the fact that the OT contains many family trees. For Jews family trees are identification, they show who a person is, to whom he belongs. Family trees are also proof for heirs, because in order to inherit something from an ancestor, the descendant must prove that he is the rightful heir and this is proven by a family tree. And that is the point, for we know that the Messiah is the rightful heir of King David and thus ascends the throne of David. Now the fact is that all the genealogical records of the Jews were destroyed by the Romans during the destruction of the temple. Only one family tree survived, the family tree of Jesus in the NT which goes from David to him. With this family tree one can prove that Jesus is a descendant of David and therefore has the right to the kingship of David. He is the only one who can do this, all other Jews living today have no family tree that leads up to David. If a Jew shows up and claims to be the Messiah but is not Jesus, he cannot prove that he is the descendant of David because he has no family tree.

Ask yourself, why did God destroy all the genealogies of the Jews except that of Jesus. He did it so that the world would know that there can be no other Messiah except Jesus.

 

[Rival]

This is not true at all.

Nor can we trust the genealogies, as they are theological constructs; they contain different names and if you believe Jesus was born from a virgin, he has no male line anyway.

It's widely accepted that the genealogies are made up.

 

[metis]

Ask yourself, why did God destroy all the genealogies of the Jews except that of Jesus. He did it so that the world would know that there can be no other Messiah except Jesus.

So, the genealogies as found in the OT are all wrong?

 

[aChristian]

So, the genealogies as found in the OT are all wrong?

Are you serious about the question right now?

 

[metis]

Are you serious about the question right now?

Yep. Why not answer it?

 

[aChristian]

Yep. Why not answer it?

Read my text again but carefully. If you don't understand it yourself, then I am not interested to talk with you further. Please do not take this as an insult, I don't feel like having a headache.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Read my text again but carefully. If you don't understand it yourself, then I am not interested to talk with you further. Please do not take this as an insult, I don't feel like having a headache.

Fortunately, you're not obligated to talk to anyone. You're not even obligated to make sense.

By the way, what genealogy of Jesus do you claim to be both authoritative and verifiable?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Among the Jews, the family tree is very important, which can be seen just from the fact that the OT contains many family trees. For Jews family trees are identification, they show who a person is, to whom he belongs. Family trees are also proof for heirs, because in order to inherit something from an ancestor, the descendant must prove that he is the rightful heir and this is proven by a family tree. And that is the point, for we know that the Messiah is the rightful heir of King David and thus ascends the throne of David. Now the fact is that all the genealogical records of the Jews were destroyed by the Romans during the destruction of the temple. Only one family tree survived, the family tree of Jesus in the NT which goes from David to him. With this family tree one can prove that Jesus is a descendant of David and therefore has the right to the kingship of David. He is the only one who can do this, all other Jews living today have no family tree that leads up to David. If a Jew shows up and claims to be the Messiah but is not Jesus, he cannot prove that he is the descendant of David because he has no family tree.

Ask yourself, why did God destroy all the genealogies of the Jews except that of Jesus. He did it so that the world would know that there can be no other Messiah except Jesus.

Actually, the Hall of Records was destroyed by one or another of the Jewish rebels, who set fire in order to destroy all records of debt, at least if we accept Josephus and his description of the rebellion. It was not destroyed by the Romans, nor directly by God.

There are two genealogies in the Gospels, one in Matthew and one in Luke. They are different; Rival notes some of the issues and I won't go into them. But the other two Gospels don't include these lists. John doesn't appear to be concerned about Jesus being a descendant of David, as Jesus is claimed to exist from the beginning. In Mark, Jesus didn't become God's son and heir until his baptism, and there is no genealogy provided because it is irrelevant to Mark's gospel.

 

[Jimmy]

I believe ‘Jesus’ is walking the earth today

 

[metis]

Read my text again but carefully. If you don't understand it yourself, then I am not interested to talk with you further. Please do not take this as an insult, I don't feel like having a headache.

Since the Tanakh [OT] has several genealogies that deal with the succession of Jews, if that's supposedly inaccurate, then that would also involve Jesus' ancestry as well, right?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

This is not true at all.

Nor can we trust the genealogies, as they are theological constructs; they contain different names and if you believe Jesus was born from a virgin, he has no male line anyway.

It's widely accepted that the genealogies are made up.

I just scanned Wikipedia: Genealogy of Jesus. It callss to mind ...

Oh what a tangled web they weave​

when first they practice to deceive,​

while the rest of us can only grieve​

for those folks striving to believe.​

​

-- by Sir Walter Scott [ blatantly redacted - JS ]​

 

[viole]

Ask yourself, why did God destroy all the genealogies of the Jews except that of Jesus. He did it so that the world would know that there can be no other Messiah except Jesus

Just in case that it was not self evident that He was.

Ciao

- viole

 

[rosends]

um...no

Rav-SIG: Online Journal > Are You a Descendant of King David?

Ancient Genealogical Records Prove King David’s Descendants Are Alive Today

Hundreds of descendants of King David are alive today, with verifiable family trees dating back 90 generations. Could the Davidic Dynasty be reestablished?

www.israel365news.com

carry on.

 

[paarsurrey]

Why Jesus must be the Messiah

But the Israelite Messiah was never named as "Jesus" , his name was definitely in Aramaic/Hebrew/Arabic sister languages, please, I understand":

"Jesus (/ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς; Iesus in Classical Latin) the Ancient Greek form of the Hebrew and Aramaic name Yeshua or Y'shua (Hebrew: ישוע).[1][2] As its roots lie in the name Yeshua/Y'shua, it is etymologically related to another biblical name, Joshua.[3]"

"

Language	Name/variant
Afrikaans	Jesus[25]
Albanian	Jezu[25]
Arabic	ʿIsà عيسى (Islamic or classical Arabic) / Yasūʿ يسوع (Christian or latter Arabic)[26]"

Jesus (name) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Right?

Regards

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Among the Jews, the family tree is very important, which can be seen just from the fact that the OT contains many family trees. For Jews family trees are identification, they show who a person is, to whom he belongs. Family trees are also proof for heirs, because in order to inherit something from an ancestor, the descendant must prove that he is the rightful heir and this is proven by a family tree. And that is the point, for we know that the Messiah is the rightful heir of King David and thus ascends the throne of David. Now the fact is that all the genealogical records of the Jews were destroyed by the Romans during the destruction of the temple. Only one family tree survived, the family tree of Jesus in the NT which goes from David to him. With this family tree one can prove that Jesus is a descendant of David and therefore has the right to the kingship of David. He is the only one who can do this, all other Jews living today have no family tree that leads up to David. If a Jew shows up and claims to be the Messiah but is not Jesus, he cannot prove that he is the descendant of David because he has no family tree.

Ask yourself, why did God destroy all the genealogies of the Jews except that of Jesus. He did it so that the world would know that there can be no other Messiah except Jesus.

The messiah is the man who will actually do the things the Messiah is prophecied to do. Jesus just doesn't cut the mustard. Let me give you three examples.

The messiah will usher in an era of worldwide peace between the nations. Jesus did not do this.\

The messiah will bring all the Jews back to the promised land. Jesus did not do this.

The messiah will rule from Jerusalem. Jesus did not do this.

 

[paarsurrey]

The messiah is the man who will actually do the things the Messiah is prophecied to do. Jesus just doesn't cut the mustard. Let me give you three examples.

The messiah will usher in an era of worldwide peace between the nations. Jesus did not do this.\

The messiah will bring all the Jews back to the promised land. Jesus did not do this.

The messiah will rule from Jerusalem. Jesus did not do this.

Kindly provide the references from Moses, please, right?

Regards

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Family trees are also proof for heirs, because in order to inherit something from an ancestor, the descendant must prove that he is the rightful heir and this is proven by a family tree.

Well, before the invention of DNA testing. It can reveal the tree isn’t exactly true.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

And that is the point, for we know that the Messiah is the rightful heir of King David and thus ascends the throne of David.

From the sound of it, everyone should descend from David. Dude got around.

 

[paarsurrey]

Among the Jews, the family tree is very important, which can be seen just from the fact that the OT contains many family trees. For Jews family trees are identification, they show who a person is, to whom he belongs. Family trees are also proof for heirs, because in order to inherit something from an ancestor, the descendant must prove that he is the rightful heir and this is proven by a family tree. And that is the point, for we know that the Messiah is the rightful heir of King David and thus ascends the throne of David. Now the fact is that all the genealogical records of the Jews were destroyed by the Romans during the destruction of the temple. Only one family tree survived, the family tree of Jesus in the NT which goes from David to him. With this family tree one can prove that Jesus is a descendant of David and therefore has the right to the kingship of David. He is the only one who can do this, all other Jews living today have no family tree that leads up to David. If a Jew shows up and claims to be the Messiah but is not Jesus, he cannot prove that he is the descendant of David because he has no family tree.

Ask yourself, why did God destroy all the genealogies of the Jews except that of Jesus. He did it so that the world would know that there can be no other Messiah except Jesus.

" Among the Jews, the family tree is very important "

Did Moses mention any family tree of his own please?
If yes, then kindly quote from Moses with references, please.
If not, then it should not be of much importance for the Israelites, right?

Regards

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Kindly provide the references from Moses, please, right?

Regards

Let's simplify this, since if even one prophecy is not fulfilled, the person is not the messiah. So let's focus in on just one prophecy.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Jesus did not do this. Thus, he is ruled out as the messiah.