why jews refuse jesus and Mohamed

[punkdbass]

For what it's worth, I'd reverse the order.

And why do you say that?

 

[Flankerl]

See the Hunufa movement for more information.

I tried to but the very first search result in google is your post. :help:

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And why do you say that?

Because it's true. I personally find the Qur'an to be more substantive, more important, and more typically demonized. As such, I believe that learning to appreciate the Qur'an is the more valuable and critical undertaking while being ignorant of Islam is the more serious failing.

 

[punkdbass]

Because it's true. I personally find the Qur'an to be more substantive, more important, and more typically demonized. As such, I believe that learning to appreciate the Qur'an is the more valuable and critical undertaking while being ignorant of Islam is the more serious failing.

Point taken. There's only so much I can read at once though, especially while balancing school as well.. trust me, I want to learn it all though. I know many Rabbis teach that Islam is essentially a "kosher" religion, and from what little I know about Islam it actually seems like a very appealing religion to me, for a lot of their basic doctrines are parallel to those of Judaism, unlike Christianity.

Right now my summer reading list consists of For the Love of God and People: A Philosophy of Jewish Law by Elliot Dorff, The Jewish Annotated New Testament, as well as regular Torah study and I read Everyman's Talmud quite often as well. Ill see if I can fit the Quran on the list I know my Dad and sister have both read it so I'm pretty sure they have a copy I can use when I get back home in a few days.

 

[Bob Dixon]

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[RisingKnowledge]

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[Caladan]

I tried to but the very first search result in google is your post. :help:

LOL. Try Hanif maybe? (Hunufa is the plural)

 

[Student of X]

You mean other than the fact that he wrote terrible science fiction?

Battlefield Earth is a good read despite the movie...

 

[Levite]

Point taken. There's only so much I can read at once though, especially while balancing school as well.. trust me, I want to learn it all though. I know many Rabbis teach that Islam is essentially a "kosher" religion, and from what little I know about Islam it actually seems like a very appealing religion to me, for a lot of their basic doctrines are parallel to those of Judaism, unlike Christianity.

Right now my summer reading list consists of For the Love of God and People: A Philosophy of Jewish Law by Elliot Dorff, The Jewish Annotated New Testament, as well as regular Torah study and I read Everyman's Talmud quite often as well. Ill see if I can fit the Quran on the list I know my Dad and sister have both read it so I'm pretty sure they have a copy I can use when I get back home in a few days.

A great reading list. I think starting with the Jewish Annotated New Testament is actually not a bad place to start, since it can only aid you to come to reading the Quran with a deeper Jewish understanding of both our own and the Christian scriptures, so that you get a better picture of how the Muslim scripture redacts and adapts from both sources. If only Marc Zvi Brettler and Amy Jill Levine would do a Jewish Annotated Quran next!

One more good reason to work on your Hebrew, BTW, is that you can find editions of the Quran which are tricolumnar, having the English in one column, the Arabic in the opposing column, and in a column in between them, a transliteration into Roman characters of the Arabic. And though I can't read Arabic script worth a damn (I've tried learning, and I can never get the linked forms straight), the transliteration makes it possible to figure out what the Hebrew or Aramaic analogues to many of the Arabic words are, which, even if still very imperfect, I find gives a better insight into what the resonance and nuance of the original must be.

 

[punkdbass]

A great reading list. I think starting with the Jewish Annotated New Testament is actually not a bad place to start, since it can only aid you to come to reading the Quran with a deeper Jewish understanding of both our own and the Christian scriptures, so that you get a better picture of how the Muslim scripture redacts and adapts from both sources. If only Marc Zvi Brettler and Amy Jill Levine would do a Jewish Annotated Quran next!

One more good reason to work on your Hebrew, BTW, is that you can find editions of the Quran which are tricolumnar, having the English in one column, the Arabic in the opposing column, and in a column in between them, a transliteration into Roman characters of the Arabic. And though I can't read Arabic script worth a damn (I've tried learning, and I can never get the linked forms straight), the transliteration makes it possible to figure out what the Hebrew or Aramaic analogues to many of the Arabic words are, which, even if still very imperfect, I find gives a better insight into what the resonance and nuance of the original must be.

Ha I was actually wondering if they had something along the lines of a "Jewish annotated Quran," that be awesome! But yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to having the extra time to do some serious spiritual reading this summer.

And yeah I know you keep subtly pushing me to work on my Hebrew, and I really DO want to. I guess growing up and going to school in areas with very, very few Jews makes it hard to get the best Jewish education, at least for my situation. When I graduate and am able to sustain myself financially, I REALLY want to live in an area with a high Jewish population for once. But anyways, I'm going to talk with my Rabbi this summer about learning Hebrew at see what sort of options there are for me. My friend who basically started the Jewish club at my university wants to use some of our budget money to buy a Rosetta Stone Hebrew edition so we can learn Hebrew once a week or something which I think is a great idea. I also really want to study Talmud with a Rabbi or study group someday as well.. so much to learn!

 

[Levite]

And yeah I know you keep subtly pushing me to work on my Hebrew, and I really DO want to. I guess growing up and going to school in areas with very, very few Jews makes it hard to get the best Jewish education, at least for my situation. When I graduate and am able to sustain myself financially, I REALLY want to live in an area with a high Jewish population for once. But anyways, I'm going to talk with my Rabbi this summer about learning Hebrew at see what sort of options there are for me. My friend who basically started the Jewish club at my university wants to use some of our budget money to buy a Rosetta Stone Hebrew edition so we can learn Hebrew once a week or something which I think is a great idea. I also really want to study Talmud with a Rabbi or study group someday as well.. so much to learn!

Don't take it personally-- I push everybody to work on their Hebrew! And I know I'm not subtle about it: if I wasn't a noodge about Hebrew skills I'd be failing as a rabbi!

BTW, I think your friend's idea about buying Rosetta Stone Hebrew for your club is a great one. Better a tool that really lets you improve your Hebrew than pretty much anything else I can think of that a college club might spend its money on....

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

A great reading list. I think starting with the Jewish Annotated New Testament is actually not a bad place to start, since it can only aid you to come to reading the Quran with a deeper Jewish understanding of both our own and the Christian scriptures, so that you get a better picture of how the Muslim scripture redacts and adapts from both sources. If only Marc Zvi Brettler and Amy Jill Levine would do a Jewish Annotated Quran next!

In truth, I've been pretty underwhelmed by the the Jewish Annotated New Testament. While it offers some interesting articles at the end, they really could stand alone and none of them strike me as particularly valuable. Meanwhile, though I've yet to go through the entire NT, the inline commentary offers far less than I had expected. All in all I prefer Net Bible.

Unless the intent is to supplement your library with a reference text that might occasionally prove useful, I'd recommend checking it out from a library before purchasing it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

As for the Qur'an, I would strongly recommend

The Message of THE QUR'AN by Muhammad Asad​

the well respected translation and commentary be a Jewish convert to Islam (whose "parents were arrested and, subsequently, murdered by the Nazis during the Holocaust").

 

[muiz.sg]

We know that the jews refuse to accept that Jesus pbuh and Mohammed pbuh
were sent by god and they only believe on their old testament and refuse to
accept the NT and the Quran.

What is the main reason for Jews that makes them to believe that both Jesus and Mohammed were false ones,any idea.any prove to support their claim.

My apologies Brother,

May I know, where in the Holy Koran, did God mention that we have to ask the People of the Book to 'convert/revert' to Islam?

From what I have gathered, God actually wants the People of the Book to return to their own scriptures..

"How come they (the Jews) come onto thee( Muhammad) for judgement when they have the Torah, wherein God hath delivered judgement (for them)?" (The Holy Koran, Chapther 5, Verse 43)

and this is what God commands us to announce to the People of the Scriptures.. :

Proclaim! : "O people of the Scriptures, let us come to a common understanding between us and between you; that we do not serve anyone except God, and we do not set up anything at all beside Him (in worship) , and that none of us takes each other as patrons beside God." If they turn away, then Say: "Bear witness that we have surrendered." (The Holy Koran, Chapter 3, Verse 64)


May the Lord of the Worlds show us all the true path(s) towards his Grace and Pleasure.

Salam.

 

[idea]

My question to everyone, coming from someone who is a Mormon and believes in modern day prophecies, why do you not believe in modern day prophets? To believe that all this stuff happened in the past - prophets/angels visiting etc. etc. but then thin that for some reason that stopped? that God stopped speaking to prophets? that revelations have stopped? that there are no prophets now? why?

 

[Bob Dixon]

My question to everyone, coming from someone who is a Mormon and believes in modern day prophecies, why do you not believe in modern day prophets? To believe that all this stuff happened in the past - prophets/angels visiting etc. etc. but then thin that for some reason that stopped? that God stopped speaking to prophets? that revelations have stopped? that there are no prophets now? why?

Not everyone believes that.
I know I think that there could be prophets today. Why should anything change?

 

[idea]

Not everyone believes that.
I know I think that there could be prophets today. Why should anything change?

I'm glad there are others who look for modern day prophets, I feel sad for those who think God no longer talks to those who live on earth...

Numbers 11:27 - 29
27 And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp.
28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them.
29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD's people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Not everyone believes that.
I know I think that there could be prophets today. Why should anything change?

Should prophets be categorized under an existing belief system first before being considered a "prophet?"

I would muse that a prophet is a radical, who urges humanity toward a message of love and forgiveness.

 

[Caladan]

One more good reason to work on your Hebrew, BTW, is that you can find editions of the Quran which are tricolumnar, having the English in one column, the Arabic in the opposing column, and in a column in between them, a transliteration into Roman characters of the Arabic. And though I can't read Arabic script worth a damn (I've tried learning, and I can never get the linked forms straight), the transliteration makes it possible to figure out what the Hebrew or Aramaic analogues to many of the Arabic words are, which, even if still very imperfect, I find gives a better insight into what the resonance and nuance of the original must be.

Good point. I read the Qur'an in Hebrew, the similarities between Hebrew and Arabic help transmit and preserve the original literary qualities which are lost in the English translations. Furthermore there are more than lingual similarities, as the words and terms also capture a cultural and traditional context.

 

[Bob Dixon]

Should prophets be categorized under an existing belief system first before being considered a "prophet?"

I would muse that a prophet is a radical, who urges humanity toward a message of love and forgiveness.

And you're right. A prophet could come under an existing belief system... but we'd be kidding ourselves, wouldn't we, if we thought that any one belief system was true enough for a prophet to adhere to it 100%.