yossarian22
Resident Schizophrenic
You realize that you are taxed for social security for every dollar you earn.I'm assuming you're planning on returning your social security checks.
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You realize that you are taxed for social security for every dollar you earn.I'm assuming you're planning on returning your social security checks.
Nobody has said Mormons are superior, lillitruthseeker. You obviously don't care much for the Latter-day Saints, but please don't make accusations that aren't true. Catholics and Latter-day Saints both have larger families than most other Christians. So what? As for what "real men" do, what makes you more qualified than the next person to say who's a "real man" and who isn't?this thread is so an example of people even in dire circumstances thinking they are better than other people because of the god they believe in -- people helping people is what we all should be doing -- but assuming that mormons are superior because they do some work for free handouts is really getting on my nerves -- those are the people I think of who have like 17 kids -- when your family is that large how can you feed all those mouths without help? you can't -- real men wouldnt make their women into breeders -- they would only have as many children as they could care for realistically
Could you point me to some specific statements that led you to this conclusion?ok maybe that was mean but i am beginning to feel LDS people have some kind of disillusion and superiority complex
I think anyone who would call us "bad wicked people" is either just uninformed or paranoid. How many Latter-day Saints do you know personally? Are they "bad wicked people"? How do you define a "bad wicked person"? Is it someone who is proud to point out that his Church has addressed a serious social issue in a way that appears to be highly successful? Just what am I missing here?...my cousin calls them the bad wicked people to her children when they come to the door -- i used to think that was terrible but now I think she might be right
I'm assuming you're planning on returning your social security checks.
this thread is so an example of people even in dire circumstances thinking they are better than other people because of the god they believe in -- people helping people is what we all should be doing -- but assuming that mormons are superior because they do some work for free handouts is really getting on my nerves -- those are the people I think of who have like 17 kids -- when your family is that large how can you feed all those mouths without help? you can't -- real men wouldnt make their women into breeders -- they would only have as many children as they could care for realistically
ok maybe that was mean but i am beginning to feel LDS people have some kind of disillusion and superiority complex -- my cousin calls them the bad wicked people to her children when they come to the door -- i used to think that was terrible but now I think she might be right
Habitat for Humanity requires people to help build their home and others with community service to even get a house -- thats a government program that is not a free hand out -- how is that any different?
Just because a LDS thing will give people some free food if they volunteer doesnt mean people that get government welfare are getting it for nothing -- thats ridiculous
-- any Church no matter the denomination would help a member of their congregation of tragedy struck -- this is not something that LDS people invented
-- volunteering so you dont have to swallow your pride and walk into a welfare office is just a cover up for the real truth maybe it will make you feel better as a person but it still means you cant take care of your own any better than a welfare recipient.
this thread is so an example of people even in dire circumstances thinking they are better than other people because of the god they believe in -- people helping people is what we all should be doing -- but assuming that mormons are superior because they do some work for free handouts is really getting on my nerves -- those are the people I think of who have like 17 kids -- when your family is that large how can you feed all those mouths without help? you can't -- real men wouldnt make their women into breeders -- they would only have as many children as they could care for realistically
ok maybe that was mean but i am beginning to feel LDS people have some kind of disillusion and superiority complex -- my cousin calls them the bad wicked people to her children when they come to the door -- i used to think that was terrible but now I think she might be right
I believe this post was created not to show any sort of superiority, but to share an idea that has proven to work very well.
Is the sharing of good ideas so bad? I thought that's how we make each other better.
this thread is so an example of people even in dire circumstances thinking they are better than other people because of the god they believe in -- people helping people is what we all should be doing -- but assuming that mormons are superior because they do some work for free handouts is really getting on my nerves -- those are the people I think of who have like 17 kids -- when your family is that large how can you feed all those mouths without help? you can't -- real men wouldnt make their women into breeders -- they would only have as many children as they could care for realistically
ok maybe that was mean but i am beginning to feel LDS people have some kind of disillusion and superiority complex -- my cousin calls them the bad wicked people to her children when they come to the door -- i used to think that was terrible but now I think she might be right
Not only that - I'm really curious about why so many LDS church members are so opposed to government welfare, especially when they are willing to donate lots of time and money to support other welfare programs.
I knew that helping the poor was a controversial issue, but I didn't that Mormons were "terrible" and "wicked" for doing so. I guess I learn something new every day.
The more I learn about the LDS church, the more I admire them.
Well, for the record, I'm not opposed to government welfare.
In case you couldn't tell, I'm not opposed either.
soyleche from a different thread said:I don't know if this really fits in this thread or not, but maybe it will help. This is from "Freakonomics" - but I don't have the book with me, so I'm paraphrasing (my numbers are almost certainly wrong, but the idea is what was given in the book).
In essence, there are 3 types of incentives: Economic, Social and Moral. Any of these, or a combination of them, can be in effect for different people in different situations. One type can also be replaced by another, sometimes with unexpected outcomes.
As an example - there was a study done at daycare centers in Israel. They had a problem with parents coming to pick up their kids late. In order to fix this, they started charging $3.00 per child if the parent was more than 10 minutes late.
So, what happened? A lot more parents started picking up their kids late. $3.00 was cheap daycare. Not only that, but before they were working with a moral or social incentive to pick up their kids on time. This was now replaced with an economic one. They didn't have to feel bad about coming late anymore, they were paying for it.
When they took the extra charge away, any guesses on what happened? The parents kept on coming late. It tends to be dificult to get a moral incentive back once it's been taken away.
Another example cited in the book was blood donation. When it has been attempted to give people money for donating, people stop donating. They don't want to feel like they are selling their blood, but they are more likely to give it away.
I think what I am trying to say here (I haven't really thought it through) is that by giving the care of the poor over to the government may well have some very negative results - it may just cause your average person to care less about helping his fellowman.