Why Most Of You Are going To Hell

[YmirGF]

Me, as in each to their own.

Only you have the keys to heaven or hell. At least your divine side does. The earthly you is a child. It needs to have certain things locked away from it for now, so you are not likey to know where the keys are just yet.

Until you have a clear understanding of what hell is, you will continue to manufacture it for yourself. Most people cannot see their part in this, and put the blame on other people, circumstances, and the like.

The mind doesn't like the smell of it's own poop, so it moves away from it and points at others standing nearby.



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I would be more inclined to tell people of the unlimited nature of their mind and its "hidden" potentials rather than likening it to something unsavory. To my thinking you may as well still insist that people are sinful or fallen in some way for all the difference it makes. Fortunately that isn't the case in the slightest. The mind is precipitated by consciousness and that is something the individual is never going to be without even if their personal psychology of Self morphs due to their direct experience. Even in Oneness, the individual paradoxically remains. It is my thinking that if it was not for the vantage point of individualized awareness it would not be possible to sense Oneness. In that Light, sense of self will never diminish, contrary to popular belief, although it will expand significantly beyond present expectations and perception. It is a bit hard to describe and therefore can only be experienced.

I guess, like what you are getting at Xexon, once people toss aside their limited ideas of so-called "heavens" and "hells", then maybe, just maybe, they might begin to appreciate reality for what it is and has been all along.

 

[xexon]

You have individual awareness on either side. The difference here is you must wear the ego in the same way a deep sea diver puts on a suit. You cannot interact with people on a human level without it. Its what gives you an identity here. You sculpt it yourself. It, like a diving suit, limits you. Especially your field of vision.

What you see in earthly life is a bunch of people wearing their diving suits. Nobody is aware... that they're wearing these things.They think its normal.

People like me come along, and gently suggest otherwise, it creates a few ripples.

Those who live in the mind, will have some issues. Those who live more in the spirit will likely enjoy the puff of wind in their sails as I go by. Either way, if it invokes a little introspection of the self, my journey has been worthwhile for them.


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[sojourner]

were we not shown evil so we could differentiate between the two? i must say this thread is fantastic, though a bit out of my league, i feel stupid!

Where and how were we "shown evil, so that we could differentiate between the two?"

 

[sojourner]

You have individual awareness on either side. The difference here is you must wear the ego in the same way a deep sea diver puts on a suit. You cannot interact with people on a human level without it. Its what gives you an identity here. You sculpt it yourself. It, like a diving suit, limits you. Especially your field of vision.

What you see in earthly life is a bunch of people wearing their diving suits. Nobody is aware... that they're wearing these things.They think its normal.

People like me come along, and gently suggest otherwise, it creates a few ripples.

Those who live in the mind, will have some issues. Those who live more in the spirit will likely enjoy the puff of wind in their sails as I go by. Either way, if it invokes a little introspection of the self, my journey has been worthwhile for them.


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What's creating the ripples isn't your perspective or your theology, so much as it's your deliberate use of inflammatory language. "Why most of you are going to hell" is provocative and inflammatory. Of course you're going to reap flack from statements like that.

Have you ever heard that one can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?

I happen to tend to agree with you (in theory), but I'm not about to side with you if you're going to begin by trying to punch me in the nose.

To extend your sailing metaphor, you just don't have the weather advantage by taking this tack.

 

[xexon]

I'm not a big fan of political correctness.

My scapel doesn't have or want a safety grip. I know where to make the cut, and sometimes its close to a nerve. But I never cut out of anger. I don't give that emotion the time of day. My blade's only guide is a deep love for all people. I want to see you do good.

So, when you feel my cold blade against your throat, know it was just a close shave and not a real threat.

People looking for me to kiss their self inflicted boo boos should keep walking, because I will explain in detail why they're self inflicted. People don't like to hear that, you know.

Vinegar has it's place. I don't use honey as a lure. I set it upon a hill as the reward. I don't lure anybody, they just show up. Whether they bring flak or good tidings is up to them. Everybody is welcome under my tree.


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[sojourner]

I'm not a big fan of political correctness.

Political correctness has nothing to do with it. Political correctness has to do with fake respect forced upon us by "those in authority." What we're talking about here is manners.

Do you also feel compelled to pull the wings off of flies, because you think they'd be better off walking?

I know where to make the cut,

I don't trust you. Jesus was the Great Physician, and you ain't him. Your posts do not instill the confidence that you do "know where to make the cut." You seem more like a loose cannon.

But I never cut out of anger.

Apparently just out of a blatant disregard for where others are on the journey.

My blade's only guide is a deep love for all people. I want to see you do good.

Deep love? Love is selfless. Look at your following statement: "I want." What about what we want? have you asked us?

So, when you feel my cold blade against your throat, know it was just a close shave and not a real threat.

Maybe we don't want a shave. Maybe we think God accepts us in all our hairiness...

People looking for me to kiss their self inflicted boo boos should keep walking, because I will explain in detail why they're self inflicted.

Doesn't seem particularly compassionate -- just arrogant.

Everybody is welcome under my tree.

Maybe you shouldn't have planted your tree in our street. It would have been less obstructive and more inviting by the side of the road.

You think your message is important and nurturing for us. Perhaps it is. But a compassionate mother does not feed a 16 oz. ribeye smothered in barbeque sauce to a three-day-old infant. Even Christ said that he could not reveal everything, because we were not ready.

Small bites, given with a smile, would be better than being beaten about the head and shoulders with the whole side of beef.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I'm not a big fan of political correctness.

My scapel doesn't have or want a safety grip. I know where to make the cut, and sometimes its close to a nerve. But I never cut out of anger. I don't give that emotion the time of day. My blade's only guide is a deep love for all people. I want to see you do good.

So, when you feel my cold blade against your throat, know it was just a close shave and not a real threat.

People looking for me to kiss their self inflicted boo boos should keep walking, because I will explain in detail why they're self inflicted. People don't like to hear that, you know.

Vinegar has it's place. I don't use honey as a lure. I set it upon a hill as the reward. I don't lure anybody, they just show up. Whether they bring flak or good tidings is up to them. Everybody is welcome under my tree.


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This post is ample evidence for willfull arrogance. I'm not at all convinced that this arrogance is rooted in a meaningful intelllectualism or spiritual experience.

All that I see is smoke being blown in the general posterior region.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I talk in metaphors because I am a pseudo-intellectual.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I talk in metaphors because I am a pseudo-intellectual.

If there were no metaphors, would the smoke be harder to see I wonder.

 

[xexon]

You see smoke because that is what you wish to see.

I challenge what people believe in, because it needs to be challenged. I'm not twisting anybody's arm to believe what I say. They have freewill to walk away at any time.

If I appear as arrogant, then I must be seen as a threat to what other's believe in. Its a touchy subject, as their faith is often the only thing a person truly owns. Its hard to pry them away so they can see other options, because there ARE other options. I hold no grudges against anyone who wishes to badmouth me for what I've said. I fully expect it. The fact that this thread has a decent lifespan to it means that somebody wishes to hear about these subjects.

My words are not for everybody. They're not meant to be. Most will find them as you have found them. Harsh, even caustic. This is because you are viewing them through your personal filters.

But when they left me, they were not harsh, or caustic.

I give others the ability to flavor them.

You have chosen smoke.



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[jmaster78]

Where and how were we "shown evil, so that we could differentiate between the two?"

the apple!

 

[xexon]

The apple is representative of the world, with all it's attractions.

Eve is symbolic of the mind, as she was the one who presented the apple to Adam, who is symbolic of the divine self. Adam made a freewill choice to embrace Eve, binding the soul to the mind.

Eve still runs this show even today.

Adam knew only oneness before that. Now, he's a henpicked husband with a wife from hell. Literally.

I teach people about divorce.


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[Kcnorwood]

It's hard to go some place that you don't believe in the first place.

 

[gnomon]

Oh gee. That was an attractive worm on the hook, wasn't it?

But let's talk about why your're reading this instead of something else. Want to know why you're going to hell? Right?

Because hell only exists in the mind. Most, not all, but most of you live within the cave of the mind. Its safe in there. You can draw on the walls all you want to.

As long as you live within your mind, you will not know God, hence the term "hell". Religion belongs to the mind. Everything you know in your lives, also belongs to the mind.

The path you seek is not one of a door which opens to some outside world. It is a door which opens within yourself. The path is inward. Away from religions and other earthy trappings.

I invite you there.



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Does this concept apply to every single human being who lives?

 

[Willamena]

The apple is representative of the world, with all it's attractions.

Eve is symbolic of the mind, as she was the one who presented the apple to Adam, who is symbolic of the divine self. Adam made a freewill choice to embrace Eve, binding the soul to the mind.

Eve still runs this show even today.

Adam knew only oneness before that. Now, he's a henpicked husband with a wife from hell. Literally.

I teach people about divorce.


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Eve cannot but run the show --Adam demonstrated that he has no ability to act. The "oneness" is not something to strive for, nor divorce glorify; the marriage is.

A better approach, in my opinion, is not to drive people to acknowledge the divorce as if a necessity, but to promote the marriage by teaching people about the individuals who make up the couple. That is enlightenment.

 

[sojourner]

the apple!

There is no apple in the Genesis story. However, the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is not evil -- it is wisdom.

 

[xexon]

Eve cannot but run the show --Adam demonstrated that he has no ability to act. The "oneness" is not something to strive for, nor divorce glorify; the marriage is.

A better approach, in my opinion, is not to drive people to acknowledge the divorce as if a necessity, but to promote the marriage by teaching people about the individuals who make up the couple. That is enlightenment.

You are close. It is indeed a co-ed existance while in the body. But first, you have to pull them apart. Same as if it were a couple of 10 years olds fighting for dominance. Then, you can sit them down and work on a partnership. Someday, they'll hold hands and walk into the sunset of your life together. But not today.

Eve has to learn that just because she's the queen, it doesn't mean she has the right to sit in the king's throne.

Adam doesn't need any instruction, as you pointed out, he is completely neutral. He's NOT impotent, just neutral.

Eve is the problem. This is her world. And she doesn't like the idea of sharing power over it.


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[xexon]

Does this concept apply to every single human being who lives?

Yes. Everybody here has the same problem.

When you came to earth, you got the mind as part of the package.

The mind is what hides you from your true self. It is what stands between you and God. It is the Satan of religion. And the mind is the spiritual desert where it dwells.


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[sojourner]

You see smoke because that is what you wish to see.

I challenge what people believe in, because it needs to be challenged. I'm not twisting anybody's arm to believe what I say. They have freewill to walk away at any time.

If I appear as arrogant, then I must be seen as a threat to what other's believe in. Its a touchy subject, as their faith is often the only thing a person truly owns. Its hard to pry them away so they can see other options, because there ARE other options. I hold no grudges against anyone who wishes to badmouth me for what I've said. I fully expect it. The fact that this thread has a decent lifespan to it means that somebody wishes to hear about these subjects.

My words are not for everybody. They're not meant to be. Most will find them as you have found them. Harsh, even caustic. This is because you are viewing them through your personal filters.

But when they left me, they were not harsh, or caustic.

I give others the ability to flavor them.

You have chosen smoke.



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If you appear as arrogant, it's more likely because you're seen as ... arrogant. I can't speak for anyone else here, but I do not fear your message. I simply distrust the way in which the message is brought. For someone so "enlightened" as you advertise yourself to be, you appear to be quite blind to the spiritual dimensions of others, and quite ambivalent for one who loves us so "deeply."

In short, while the message may have some merit, the vehicle is certainly coming off as nothing more than trickery -- or misguidance.

 

[xexon]

As I said in another thread, I didn't bring an olive branch, I brought an axe.

I'm not blind to other people. Its because I see them so well that I say what I do. Call it tough love if you like. Its not meant for everyone, so you need not take offence with me if you think otherwise.

Do feel free to explain how I've used trickery and misguidence.

Trickery implies a desire for personal gain. I don't pass a collection plate.

Misguidence implies a deviation from "authority". From who's authority have I drifted away from?



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