Why people believe in supernatural?

[Tony]

Well call me uneducated, dishonest and a coward for having my beliefs!

Oh and welcome to the forum.

I'm just saying that religious person needs more education, to become more honest to him/herself and more brave to handle the truth of reality.

I know, it's very scary and difficult.

I was not religious but it took me years to become an atheist.

 

[Æsahættr]

I think we can both agree that Albert Einstein is one of the more intelligent men to have inhabited planet earth. Since he referred to God in many of his writings and understood that science was the beginning of knowledge and that religion was not the end of it, and more importantly that the two were intertwined, perhaps you can honest and brave enough to reconsider your rejection of that which you currently do not understand. I wish you luck with your education.

Unless Albert Einstein happens to have written out an excellent argument for why religion and science are necessarily intertwined, that will stand up to scrutiny, then why attempt to use him as an argument. He could be a thousand times as intelligent as he was, and his personal beliefs would still not constitute an argument in themselves.

 

[Master Vigil]

I'm just saying that religious person needs more education, to become more honest to him/herself and more brave to handle the truth of reality.

What do you think of those who are athiests, and through more education and becoming more honest to him/herself and more brave to handle the truth of reality becomes a theist? And believe me, I know many of them.

 

[ΩRôghênΩ]

ya i think it would upset athiests, sinse he has the 2nd highest recorede IQ in history (Albert Einstein) and yes he believed in god. god makes alot more sense than no god in my oppinion. i cant see the world wihtout god. and if i had to be secular id be a deist.

 

[Master Vigil]

It's too bad that IQ really doesn't mean anything.

 

[ΩRôghênΩ]

(If you check statistics, you’ll see that proportionally more non-religious people among more educated.)

wow i concider you offensive

 

[ΩRôghênΩ]

if thats your oppinion

 

[Mike182]

I'm just saying that religious person needs more education, to become more honest to him/herself and more brave to handle the truth of reality.

ok, so what is the truth of reality?

if you say we obviously can't handle it, but because you are an atheist, you can, enlighten me.

 

[Æsahættr]

I'm just saying that religious person needs more education, to become more honest to him/herself and more brave to handle the truth of reality.
I know, it's very scary and difficult.

I'm a hardcore dawkins-loving, religion is the root of all evil anti-theist, and even I find this offensive. Pretty impressive Tony.
Seriously though, try and learn to distinuish between attacking a belief system and directly attacking the individuals that form that belief system. Change the word "religious" to "atheistic" and you'd be indistinguishable from the arrogant fundie preachers that all us atheists hate.

(Oh, and for those people still going on about how wonderfully high Einstein's IQ was, possibily we've had enough Argumentum ad verecundian for one day. There's only so many illogical arguments someone can take)

 

[Mister Emu]

I'm just saying that religious person needs more education, to become more honest to him/herself and more brave to handle the truth of reality.

:biglaugh: :biglaugh:

If you check statistics, you’ll see that proportionally more non-religious people among more educated

How do you define educated? Would you consider someone who spent 4 years in military strategy as educated as someone who spent four in biology classes? Would four years in business be counted as educated as four years in physics? Time spent learning to counsel young people out of drug addictions against learning chemical processes?

 

[Feathers in Hair]

I'm just saying that religious person needs more education, to become more honest to him/herself and more brave to handle the truth of reality.

Then I'm sure that you will understand that I'm being brutally honest with myself when I prefer polytheism/ panetheism to atheism. The idea that there are no gods doesn't scare me, especially when faced with the idea that there are people out there that think my beliefs are somehow 'lesser' for not being their own. I am not uneducated (at least in the mental sense ), nor am I deluding myself. My spiritual path works for me at this time in my life. I do not pretend that it's the only faith for everyone, or that it's scientifically sound. If it was scientifically sound, I don't think I would get so much joy from it. I try not to bother other people about what they believe and would ask that others give me the same respect.

I know, it's very scary and difficult.

No, it's not. If one would spend ten minutes looking around this site, one would come the conclusion that there are many people who believe that the world is a lot less scary if one believes that there is no god. I fear that one doesn't get to take on the air of gently taking us foolish theists by the hand and leading us into wisdom, especially if one hasn't cared enough to get to know the people one is talking with.

I was not religious but it took me years to become an atheist.

I was raised 'religious', am now simply inherently spiritual, and it take me a turn of a thought to believe that there is no god. Simply because you've struggled with something doesn't mean others will, too. In addition, it doesn't mean people care to struggle with something.

 

[Tony]

I don't agree with this statement. Theories change as sience advances. Like for instance, the gasoline engine was invented over 100 years ago, I am sure physics and science in general had alot to do with the invent of the engine. When the engine was invented the technology that was prestine for the day, you look at a 100 year old engine now it seems quite primitive, even though the people of the day thought it was at its tops and could only slightly be improved.

Science evolves as new discoveries are found. Science can not be carved in stone because it would then never evolve. A theory is most times adopted as truth, not proven.

As far as supernatural, I have seen things move with only using my mind, I have talked 100's of miles away only using the mind, I have seen spirits, I have worked with my own energy to make something happen, etc.... These things to me have been proven (and to many other people). Have you seen an ape turn into a human? Well no, but you might have adopted the scientific theory of evolution. No one can give a positive answer as to where life came from, because we will never know, yet that theory is adopted by millions of people because it is the best science can do. My supernatural experiences will not evolve to anything else. I might become more in touch with my own energy and have more experiences, but on the whole they will remain the same.

Science is looking for an answer, religion has the same answer for everything.
Science makes mistakes - it's normal when you honestly trying to find out the truth.
Religion is always "right".

Science does evolve. Religion is forced to "evolve" because it was created according to the science of thousands of years ago. Nobody will believe that Earth is flat now. So, in order to look "scientific" religions are trying to look modern to keep current theists and attract new ones.

In science theories are proven right or wrong by experiments and tests. In religion there is no need for a proof. It's all based on pure beliefs.

About supernatural. Moving things by mind is proven and recorded. Science doesn't know the answer yet, but it doesn't prove the existence of gods. Same thing with lightning. People thought it was supernatural till science found the answer.

Telepathy is not supernatural. Scince also doesn't have the answer yet. Look above for the argument.

I consider seeing spirits as hallucinations.

I have no idea what you mean by "your energy". What kind of energy? Can you measure it? Have discovered any laws of "your energy"? Can you record your tests with it on video?

I can't tell here why we evolved from ape-like animals. You can read about it on any science site. It's up to you to make the decision to follow the sciencific knowledge and facts or ignore them.

The DNA difference between humans and chimpanzees is 1.5%.
Should I say more?

About "we'll never know the answer" please read my argument about lightning.

 

[EnhancedSpirit]

I believe in the supernatural because I have witnessed it several times. I am seeing an arguement for what is considered 'supernatural'. Some things that were once considered supernatural can now be explained through science. And I believe that what cannot be explained by science is just waiting for the right equipment to be invented.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

(If you check statistics, you’ll see that proportionally more non-religious people among more educated.)

But what factors are taken into consideration? And what defines "more educated?" More years in school? A well known school? High ciriculums? Or just a greater knowledge?

Of course, besides education person has to be honest and brave enough to admit that scientific proof makes more sense than religious belief.

Since you apparently are an educated person, you should know that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Should I believe something that goes against the laws of physics, and that somehow energy was naturally created to create everything, or the gods created everything?

Nobody will believe that Earth is flat now.

Actually, there are groups that do believe that.

About "we'll never know the answer" please read my argument about lightning.

If that is the case, then why is there only many theories as to why dinosaurs went extinct, and not one can be fully backed up. Sure there are several large craters, ice-age, compition for food, and many other things, but it just may never be fully known why.

 

[Yerda]

Some things that were once considered supernatural can now be explained through science. And I believe that what cannot be explained by science is just waiting for the right equipment to be invented.

That's fair, though it leaves me slightly confused as to what you meant when you said:

I believe in the supernatural because I have witnessed it several times.

Are you saying that you have seen unexplainable things that will be understood when the right gear comes along? Or actually supernatural and incomprehendible to science?