Why Quranists rejected Hadith

[Union]

There are few simple reasons why Hadith can’t be the source of Islam :


01. Quran is complete , self-explained and sufficient in elaborating any Islamic issue . Hence no need of Hadith to know and implement those Islamic affairs .

02. Not a single verse in the Quran confirm the Hadith as the second source of Islam . ALLAH , the Almighty clarified all the fundamentals of Islam in the Quran explicitly but didn’t mention anything about the Hadith of the Prophet . Hence it doesn’t have any basis from the Qur’an .

03. Hadith was not recorded by the companions of the Prophet . Not a single manuscript can be found which was left by any of the companions of the prophet on Hadith .If Hadith was such important for Islam, they must have made it sure that it was compiled and conveyed as they did it for the Quran.

04.Hadith contains so many contradictions between one another.

05.Human has access to distort the Hadith , hence can’t be preserved divinely.

06. In so many cases Hadith contradicted Quran directly .

07. Shia and Sunni made their own Hadith and claimed them to be the authentic . They blamed one another to forge Hadith . Hence there is no consensus between this two major sects in Islam on Hadith.

 

[Valjean]

Are there many Muslims who follow the Quran only?

 

[Union]

Are there many Muslims who follow the Quran only?

Thanks a lot for showing interest into the matter . A very few . Shia and Sunni regard them as heretic .

 

[elmarna]

I follow Quran only.

 

[Union]

I follow Quran only.

You r among the blessed .:yes:

 

[elmarna]

May you recieve the blessings as well!

 

[Union]

May you recieve the blessings as well!

Amen !

 

[Badran]

I follow Hadiths (not any hadith considered authentic though) but i don't think Quranists are heretics (i know a lot of Muslims do though).

I agree actually with a lot of their ideas, and respect what they believe to be doing.

 

[Union]

I follow Hadiths (not any hadith considered authentic though) but i don't think Quranists are heretics (i know a lot of Muslims do though).

I agree actually with a lot of their ideas, and respect what they believe to be doing.

You are holding a candle that brightens your face.....

 

[Elm Nehmara]

This is how I view it. First of all as a plural spiritualist, I do believe that all religious books are divinely inspired in parts, some of which are not. I'm not going to get into it here because I don't want to start a debate.

As per the hadiths, I view as being more of a set of recommendations rather than obligatory. I think that the hadiths are considered Sunnah, or optional.

For example, it is argued that the headcovering for women is not compulsory in the Quran yet in a hadith, the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) is said to have said that a woman should cover everything except the face and the hands.

For a Sunni, the hadith is taken at heart and women feel that they are obliged by God to cover their heads. Yet for me, I feel that this is a recommendation and not a requirement so I wear hijab out of my own personal choice and not necessarily because of a hadith.

Me personally, I follow parts of the Quran, not all, and I feel that if I try to follow the hadiths, it will only leave me spiritually discouraged.

 

[Union]

This is how I view it. First of all as a plural spiritualist, I do believe that all religious books are divinely inspired in parts, some of which are not. I'm not going to get into it here because I don't want to start a debate.

As per the hadiths, I view as being more of a set of recommendations rather than obligatory. I think that the hadiths are considered Sunnah, or optional.

For example, it is argued that the headcovering for women is not compulsory in the Quran yet in a hadith, the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) is said to have said that a woman should cover everything except the face and the hands.

For a Sunni, the hadith is taken at heart and women feel that they are obliged by God to cover their heads. Yet for me, I feel that this is a recommendation and not a requirement so I wear hijab out of my own personal choice and not necessarily because of a hadith.

Me personally, I follow parts of the Quran, not all, and I feel that if I try to follow the hadiths, it will only leave me spiritually discouraged.

Thanks a lot for your valuable thought . I just like to request you to elaborate on what you really mean by :

Me personally, I follow parts of the Quran, not all, and I feel that if I try to follow the hadiths, it will only leave me spiritually discouraged

And very welcome to RF . :foryou:

 

[Elm Nehmara]

Well, I can't remember any part of the Quran at the moment, but things that often speak of being beneficial to oneself and others are usually what I follow. Things that talk about charity for example.

One quote would be the "there is no compulsion in religion" part as I feel that religion, or spirituality should be of one's own free will and how that person perceives or practices that religion is up to them.

I also feel that certain parts of the Quran were revealed to Muhammed (PBUH) that were relevant to the culture of that time. Such as when going to war and the needing to invade caravans for them to survive. Such things don't apply to today's standards.

 

[Zhakir]

Well, I can't remember any part of the Quran at the moment, but things that often speak of being beneficial to oneself and others are usually what I follow. Things that talk about charity for example.

One quote would be the "there is no compulsion in religion" part as I feel that religion, or spirituality should be of one's own free will and how that person perceives or practices that religion is up to them.

I also feel that certain parts of the Quran were revealed to Muhammed (PBUH) that were relevant to the culture of that time. Such as when going to war and the needing to invade caravans for them to survive. Such things don't apply to today's standards.

Hello .
That's right "there is no compulsion in religion" is a Quranic verse. but please note that Quran never command us to go to a war or invade :no: . the only reasone to fight is mentioned in 2:190
And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

And maybe this is a reason why you think you shouldn't follow all of the Quran, the false idea that you had, you thought that Quran includes that violent commands of killing and invading.

 

[Union]

Well, I can't remember any part of the Quran at the moment, but things that often speak of being beneficial to oneself and others are usually what I follow. Things that talk about charity for example.

One quote would be the "there is no compulsion in religion" part as I feel that religion, or spirituality should be of one's own free will and how that person perceives or practices that religion is up to them.

I also feel that certain parts of the Quran were revealed to Muhammed (PBUH) that were relevant to the culture of that time. Such as when going to war and the needing to invade caravans for them to survive. Such things don't apply to today's standards.

Dear Elm Nehmara , as Zhakir mentioned robbing , invading or hijacking are not mentioned in the Quran . I do appreciate if you can look up again and try to bring the related verses here so that we can discuss . Each and every verse of the Quran is equally applicable for any age to come since its revelation to Prophet Muhammad . I will be even more pleasant if you want to discuss any verse of the Quran , which might appear weird to you . Please feel free about it .

Take care .

 

[Elm Nehmara]

Dear Elm Nehmara , as Zhakir mentioned robbing , invading or hijacking are not mentioned in the Quran . I do appreciate if you can look up again and try to bring the related verses here so that we can discuss . Each and every verse of the Quran is equally applicable for any age to come since its revelation to Prophet Muhammad . I will be even more pleasant if you want to discuss any verse of the Quran , which might appear weird to you . Please feel free about it .

Take care .

Union,

It has been a LONG TIME since I read the Quran. You see, I was initially a Muslim back in 2002-2003, I had read the entire Quran back then but don't remember most of it now, but I do remember there being verses about fighting unbelievers. But it's ok because I found a website that talks of the misconceptions of Islam and clears up some Quranic verses. (Apparently I'm not allowed to hyperlink until I have 15 posts?)

Off a Quranist site, nonetheless, that I found on Youtube. Actually it was a hijab tutorial but the user was a Quranist. So most of my answers have been answered. Also as I said, I do not believe that any religious text, whether it be Jewish, Christian, Hindu, whatever is without flaws and contradictions, so when I read, I try to read in an allegorical or metaphorical manner. There are some things in the Quran that make me think of some Gnostic teachings and very much speak to me in a spiritual way.

I have to ask a question, what do you think of the prohibition on pork? Some say that the prohibition was due to the hygienic and lack of food preservation during the time. Also, in my cultural anthropology class, I learned that one of the reason, if not the only, was because pigs are woodland creatures not suited for the more arid Middle Eastern (Israel?) climate, that they were hard to herd, destructive to the environment of goat, and lamb grazing grounds and were an economic hardship for those that raised them, therefore there were provisions made to prevent people from eating and raising pigs. So knowing now what we do with pigs and with modern refrigeration why do we still have this prohibition on pork? I can understand it in the context during that time why it is prohibited but not so much now.

This is just a question, not trying to offend anyone, it just seems to me some religious provisions seem outdated at the least unless there is some evidence to back up that provision for some reason. BTW, I'm not a big fan of pork anyhow except for ham and bacon.

 

[Union]

Union,

It has been a LONG TIME since I read the Quran. You see, I was initially a Muslim back in 2002-2003, I had read the entire Quran back then but don't remember most of it now, but I do remember there being verses about fighting unbelievers. But it's ok because I found a website that talks of the misconceptions of Islam and clears up some Quranic verses. (Apparently I'm not allowed to hyperlink until I have 15 posts?)

Off a Quranist site, nonetheless, that I found on Youtube. Actually it was a hijab tutorial but the user was a Quranist. So most of my answers have been answered. Also as I said, I do not believe that any religious text, whether it be Jewish, Christian, Hindu, whatever is without flaws and contradictions, so when I read, I try to read in an allegorical or metaphorical manner. There are some things in the Quran that make me think of some Gnostic teachings and very much speak to me in a spiritual way.

I have to ask a question, what do you think of the prohibition on pork? Some say that the prohibition was due to the hygienic and lack of food preservation during the time. Also, in my cultural anthropology class, I learned that one of the reason, if not the only, was because pigs are woodland creatures not suited for the more arid Middle Eastern (Israel?) climate, that they were hard to herd, destructive to the environment of goat, and lamb grazing grounds and were an economic hardship for those that raised them, therefore there were provisions made to prevent people from eating and raising pigs. So knowing now what we do with pigs and with modern refrigeration why do we still have this prohibition on pork? I can understand it in the context during that time why it is prohibited but not so much now.

This is just a question, not trying to offend anyone, it just seems to me some religious provisions seem outdated at the least unless there is some evidence to back up that provision for some reason. BTW, I'm not a big fan of pork anyhow except for ham and bacon.

Dear Elm Nehmara , as we know that Quran is a divine book with laws applicable for any age to come , pork was harmful for the people of those old ages as well harmful for us today . Plenty of people from developed countries, even after using modern refreigeration system , are suffering from diseases caused by pork . Millions of people in under developed countries don't use the proper refrigeration system for this purpose . So it is better to leave pork from our dishes for good .

Have a nice day EN.

 

[emad alansary]

Brother Union I really want to talk with you about the topic you posted in here, so would you like to give me your facebook account to add you as a friend there and then have a conversation or your email address.
Thanks

 

[Union]

Brother Union I really want to talk with you about the topic you posted in here, so would you like to give me your facebook account to add you as a friend there and then have a conversation or your email address.
Thanks

Salam Emad . Don't you want to discuss them here ? If you don't want them to be interactive and public please pm me in this forum , it will also reach to my email . I will really feel happy to have conversation with you . Thank you also .

 

[Assad91]

I just have a simple question. And I do not mean to be offensive. I hear the argument against Quanist all the time is, "how do you pray then"?

So I wanted to ask, what do Quanist do for prayer

 

[Union]

I just have a simple question. And I do not mean to be offensive. I hear the argument against Quanist all the time is, "how do you pray then"?

So I wanted to ask, what do Quanist do for prayer

In brief :

01. Name and Number of Salats :

There are three numbers of Salat mentioned by name in the Quran . These are :

(a) Salat Al-Fajr (Dawn Prayer)[24:58]
(b)Salat Al-Esha (Night Prayer)[24:58]
(c)Al-Salat Al-Wusta (The Middle Prayer) [2:238]

02. Time of Salat :

(a) Fajr before sunrise when the white thread of light becomes distinguishable from the dark thread of night [2:187] / when the stars fade away. [52:49] / at the frst terminal of the day [11:114] .

(b) Isha prayer at the approaches of the proper darkness of the night [17:78 & 11:114]

(c) Wusta prayer after the sunset until dusk . [17:78 & 11:114]

03. Prerequisite of Salat :

(a) This first pre-requisite is the conscious intention to establish contact with God Almighty [4:43]

(b) Performing ablution by washing face and hand, wiping head and feet. [5:6]

(c) Putting clean and modest dress , as decent as possible . [7:31]


04. Position of the Salats :

(a) Standing (Qiam) [2:238,3:39,4:102 ] => starting of Salat [4:102]
(b) Bowing (Ruku) [22:26,48:29]
(c) Prostration [22:26, 48:29] => finishing of Salat [4:102]

05. Number of Rak’ats :

The cycle of standing, bowing and prostrating while praising and glorifying God is traditionally called a Raka. According to the Quranic law, God did not specify any specific number of Raka to be observed in the Salat, thus it is left to the individual as per the situation , physical and mental capabilities . In congregation the leader must keep keen eyes on the average physical and mental strengths of the Muttadi [20:2,78]

06. Words in the Salat :

(a) All the words of the Salat should be from the Quran. Hence Quran should be recited while standing . [29:45,3:113]

(b) Glorifying GOD in bowing and in prostration .[7:206, 20:130, 32:15, 50:39,52:49] . Seeking forgiveness , seeking protection from Hell etc. duas can also be made in those positions [25:64-65] . Prefer to be cited as stated in the Quranic pages [e.g., 25:65]

All the words that to be recited in Salat should be for remembering/glorifying Allah (swt) only :

[20:14] "I am GOD; there is no other god beside Me. You shall worship Me alone, and observe the Salat to remember Me.

07. Tone of recitation of Salat :

The recitation of Salat shall not be too loud, nor shall be secretly; but should be maintained in an intermediate tone [17:110].