why reject christianity

[sunray]

Faith goes a long way, I saw a film about Faith the dog he was cute and you might get the girl with the dog too!!

However it must be said there is nothing wrong with Christianity, just whose brand of Christianity?

If you take up the Bible, read a little, then put your life in the hands of God and your feet in the sandles of Christ then what more do you need? Pray to see the way Christ did, and you're set for a spiritual journey. You don't need to belong to one church or another, you can go to them all, and if your sense of spirituality allows you, you may even go in Buddhist Temples and Mosques. You will undoubtedly find the spirit of God wherever you go if you pay attention.
If you keep God in your heart you will understand the Egyptian snakes can't hurt you even if they want to dominate you.
I did take up that Bible, that Koran, and even the Karmasutra, my faith doesn't limit me it sets me free spiritually.
So if you chose heart felt Christianity so much the better, or 'would you rather swing a star ( a Pope or Pastor) and bring crosses home in a jar.....'

 

[Theist]

Why do you reject the Roman Gods? They have given so much to you and all they expect in return are small token offerings. They are much less demanding than the Christian God, and their mythology is more entertaining. They allowed and supported the Romans as they built a great empire. Why wouldn't you follow the Roman Gods?

 

[sunray]

Reply To Theist:
a true christian would be open minded to the Greek gods, as they are really Egyptian gods rewritten. Paul mentions other gods as real 1 Corinthians 8:5, there are many gods and Lords, thus opening the door for study, not only that but John 10.34 and Psalms 82.6 states "I said You are gods."
A further study may uncover that many of the Gods and gods we think to be God the Creator turn out to be Aliens that came here as Teachers with incredible powers like telepathy; they could make one hear their voice in one's head so one naturally thought it was God Almighty! So the old gods were really both, either Aliens, or out standing humans! Obviously because Jesus a human was considered a god. In fact we are all part of God. more investigation will take you to the garden of eden 'they become like gods knowing good and evil' etc.... And there's the rub, as Shakespeare would say, Knowing good and evil one can rise above them both like jesus ' why do you call me Good' and become a god one with the gods, with God; Saintly like God not bad huh, not good either?

 

[jcalberta]

Many people believe that THEIR will work for everybody. WRONG.
There's nothing wrong with Christianity. It just doesn't suit my Spiritual needs.
There is more than one way home to GOD.

 

[Michael1981]

This question implies that you can only be a good, caring person if you are a Christian, which is utter nonsense and very prejudice against atheists and generally against other religions too. Did it not occur to the poster that people surely were capable of being good even before Christianity?

Scott,

If any Christian thinks that anyone is good, then that person is not a Christian. The Scriptures are clear about this:

"As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one..." (Romans 3:10)

Any righteousness we have isn't true righteousness, because it isn't God's righteousness:

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."
(Isaiah 64:6)

Even Jesus Christ said He wasn't good, at least while He walked among us in the flesh:

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone." (Luke 18:19)

Only God is good...we are all evil. (Not saying that Christ was evil, only that He walked according to the Spirit (Who is God), and not according to the flesh, and therefore was without sin)

 

[Dan020350]

Why reject Christianity?

-.- If you can use it then its useful if you cannot use it then its useless...
If you cannot see and understand how it is useful then you do not know yourself. If you do not know yourself (self knowledge) then you are blind. If you are blind then you need a miracle. Hearing and listening is one of the avenue. How do you hear and listen? By rejecting what i am saying by your own inquiry. Then your house of listening is made clean. What is rejected is accepted.

Your Poet
Dan020350

 

[james bond]

Of course. Why not?



That's an argument for colonizing other planets and not related to the search for extraterrestrial life



None. There may be a practical application to finding life elsewhere, but at this point, it's just basic science. You never know what the reward will be.



Then you've got a lot of needlessly anti-science creationists. They seem to feel threatened by it. Look at the great length so many go to to protect their children from learning it - Christian schools, home schooling, and in some cases, discouraging college attendance.



I'll just assume that when you use the phrase creation science, you're talking about creationism. Creationism is faith based belief. If you believe that a God created the universe without supporting evidence, and have ruled out competing hypotheses without disproving them, then that is typical of religious thought.



And I will henceforth convert atheist science to science, since you still use the term.

If the multiverse hypothesis can be ruled out - and I can't imagine how - science will assimilate that new knowledge and continue on its centuries-long project of investigating how physical reality works.

Did you expect any different answer?



That's an argument from incredulity, a logical fallacy. You are basically saying that you just can't see how it can be, and therefore it cannot be. That does nothing to change my opinion of the viability of the hypothesis.

Probes cost money, so it's more cost effective to use telescopes. Then there is the you can't get there from here argument, i.e. we have our technological limitations and the argument becomes moot. Not saying it can't be done, but then we'd have to find someone who has the technology.

There are no aliens based on our observable evidence. What's more certain is an extinction event. Nice way to dodge a difficult question.

You said none which what I implied when I said we probed and observed enough for finding a habitable planet for ourselves. None of the discussion was for searching for aliens on my part, but if you want to search for aliens, then you have to pay for it. Not the taxpayers.

Science backing up the Bible is "science," i.e. both atheist and creation science backing up the Bible. Nothing to do with creationism.

Science in the Bible: Does the Bible Contradict Scientific Principles?

Creation science is part of creationism. Just like Darwinism and Lyell's Principles are part of atheist science. I don't think you understand what is taught in Christian private schools (homeschooling is different).

That's fine by me as long as I know what you mean. The most common use is when discussing how old things that were found are or how old something is. It's still atheist science when discussing origins. God/creation is not accepted as theory when it was in the past and science developed fine. What is wrong is the uniformitarian thinking leading into evolutionary thinking. If I was a scientist and getting funding (assuming the funding would be cut off if I stated humans aren't apes or God created the universe and put earth as its center, then I'd just ignore evolution when I can and still do well. It's only in certain cases that there is a conflict/contradiction due to evolutionary thinking. We have Christians teaching high school biology and evolution.

The multiverse theory, as I understand it, involves the unobservable universe. We see a flat observable universe. Just because we can't actually see the 4th dimension (spacetime or time) doesn't mean that the unobservable universe, i.e. the real universe exists in multiple instances. There's no evidence that it does. For example, if you and I were on a street corner and were the only witnesses to an accident and both parties involved in the accident died immediately, then there is no universe with the actual accident before the crash existing or with accident not happening. What is in the past is the past and gone. What is an alternative scenario is imagination. What we know to exist is from our testimony and the evidence at the scene. That's it.

It's hypocritical to eliminate God when there is evidence of creation from the Bible. If one can look at the flat observable universe in 4D, then we'd see that it backs up the Bible. My prediction.

 

[scott777]

Scott,

If any Christian thinks that anyone is good, then that person is not a Christian. The Scriptures are clear about this:

"As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one..." (Romans 3:10)

Any righteousness we have isn't true righteousness, because it isn't God's righteousness:

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."
(Isaiah 64:6)

Even Jesus Christ said He wasn't good, at least while He walked among us in the flesh:

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone." (Luke 18:19)

Only God is good...we are all evil. (Not saying that Christ was evil, only that He walked according to the Spirit (Who is God), and not according to the flesh, and therefore was without sin)

So your interpretation is that we are all evil. A very worrying thought!

This is one of the biggest problems with religion - it is fundamentally up to each person to interpret it, which is why no-one ever agrees. Your idea is almost the opposite of the poster, who said being a Christian is about being a good, loving person. Your belief is we are all evil. Some people might take that to mean we are all excused for doing anything we like. Sounds very dangerous to me. And you quote the bibble a lot, but how do you know it's the word of a god (if we imagine for a moment there is a god)?

 

[scott777]

There are no aliens based on our observable evidence.

Just wanted to correct you there. Our observable evidence tells us that we don't know whether there are any 'aliens'. It would be impossible to determine that there are no aliens, anywhere in the immensity of the universe.

 

[Shlomoh]

why many people reject Christianity? is there a problem with the teachings and messages?

There are many problems. First of all, the scriptures of Christianity are blatantly antisemitic, both the gospels and the letters of Paul the apostate. Here's a joke. What religion says that its deity is king of the Jews yet all his believers are gentiles? Secondly, the history of Christianity is a horror show. A religion that says kill the witches, kill the homos, kill the infidels, kill the Jews is not my cup of tea. According to the Christian founder, you get saved by grace, not for anything you do to work for it.
When you get something for nothing, that's what it's worth. Why become Christian when 2000 Christians a year are becoming Jewish? When you have the original religion, who wants a pale copy?

 

[Michael1981]

So your interpretation is that we are all evil. A very worrying thought!

This is one of the biggest problems with religion - it is fundamentally up to each person to interpret it, which is why no-one ever agrees. Your idea is almost the opposite of the poster, who said being a Christian is about being a good, loving person. Your belief is we are all evil. Some people might take that to mean we are all excused for doing anything we like. Sounds very dangerous to me. And you quote the bibble a lot, but how do you know it's the word of a god (if we imagine for a moment there is a god)?

Scott,

There is religion and then there is Reality. There is Truth and there is error. Only God can open one's eyes to see Reality; religion creates error, because religion is man-made and antiChrist.

As for us all being evil, mankind has done nothing but prove this throughout the centuries. Look as recently as WWII. Were the Nazis just a few folks who hated Jews, or did the people wholeheartedly support them, even if some claimed ignorance of their atrocities? Look at Pol Pot; did he personally annihilate millions, or did his troops come from everyday people?

Being a Christian isn't just about love. It's about accountability, responsibility, and turning from oneself and to God. It's about taking up the cross and following the Way, the Truth and the Life:

"And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me." (Luke 9:23)

I know the Bible to be the word of God by faith, granted to me by the undeserved grace of God. That's the only way one can know.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Probes cost money, so it's more cost effective to use telescopes.

Not if you're looking for life. Telescopes wouldn't be expected to identify microbes or small scurrying creatures.

Then there is the you can't get there from here argument, i.e. we have our technological limitations and the argument becomes moot.

We can reach our solar system's moons and planets

There are no aliens based on our observable evidence.

Our present evidence does not support that conclusion.

God/creation is not accepted as theory when it was in the past and science developed fine.

Science has no need for a god hypothesis, so it includes none.

You keep pushing to insert a god into science. Why would science do that? The god hypothesis is unsupported by evidence, adds no explanatory or predictive power to any godless scientific theory, and adds unnecessary complication..

The multiverse theory, as I understand it, involves the unobservable universe.

The multiverse hypothesis posits an aspect of reality distinct from the universe that was its source.

It's hypocritical to eliminate God when there is evidence of creation from the Bible

The Bible is evidence that it was written, nothing more.

 

[james bond]

Just wanted to correct you there. Our observable evidence tells us that we don't know whether there are any 'aliens'. It would be impossible to determine that there are no aliens, anywhere in the immensity of the universe.

I'll stand by what I said. There are no aliens. My evidence behind it is in the Bible in that God did not create any aliens and only life begats life. Your last bit of logic seems faulty. All one has to do to show no aliens is wrong is find an alien in the immensity of the universe. Just like all swans are white was shown to be wrong. No panspermia from earth though. That would be cheating .

 

[Michael1981]

There are many problems. First of all, the scriptures of Christianity are blatantly antisemitic, both the gospels and the letters of Paul the apostate. Here's a joke. What religion says that its deity is king of the Jews yet all his believers are gentiles? Secondly, the history of Christianity is a horror show. A religion that says kill the witches, kill the homos, kill the infidels, kill the Jews is not my cup of tea. According to the Christian founder, you get saved by grace, not for anything you do to work for it.
When you get something for nothing, that's what it's worth. Why become Christian when 2000 Christians a year are becoming Jewish? When you have the original religion, who wants a pale copy?

Shlomoh,

If the Scriptures are at all antisemitic, it's only insofar as they depict the reality of the Jews crucifying their Lord and Savior, and their refusal to repent of it.

If Paul was antisemitic in the sense to which you're referring, then how could he possibly write this:

"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob..." (Romans 11:26)

Wouldn't an anti-Semite be preaching the annihilation of Jews, and not their salvation?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

If any Christian thinks that anyone is good, then that person is not a Christian.

What a misanthropic, nihilistic worldview. Nobody is good? Look around you. I know many good people - in fact, most of the ones in my social circle are good people.

If I were still searching for a comprehensive personal philosophy and worldview, after reading that, I would move along.

My worldview, secular humanism, views man as a creature capable of great nobility and potential.

 

[Rival]

Shlomoh,

If the Scriptures are at all antisemitic, it's only insofar as they depict the reality of the Jews crucifying their Lord and Savior, and their refusal to repent of it.

If Paul was antisemitic in the sense to which you're referring, then how could he possibly write this:

"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob..." (Romans 11:26)

Wouldn't an anti-Semite be preaching the annihilation of Jews, and not their salvation?

Paul:

For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.

John 8:39-47:

They answered and said to him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of myself, but he sent me. Why do you not understand my speech? Because you are not able to listen to my word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which of you convicts me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

Matthew 21:23-25

Then the governor said, “Why, what evil has he done?”
But they cried out all the more, saying, “Let him be crucified!”
When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this just person. You see to it.”
And all the people answered and said, “his blood be on us and on our children.”

Matthew 23:29-33

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!
“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?


If Jesus ever did come back I wouldn't stop anyone from trying to crucify him again.

 

[Michael1981]

What a misanthropic, nihilistic worldview. Nobody is good? Look around you. I know many good people - in fact, most of the ones in my social circle.

If I were still searching for a comprehensive personal philosophy and worldview, after reading that, I would move along.

My worldview, secular humanism, views man as a creature capable of great nobility and potential.

Mr. So,

You're missing the point (though to be fair, that is understandable from what I've written). Jesus Christ said this:

"I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Luke 5:32)

Seems like a contradiction, right? If no one is good, then to whom might He be referring?

He was responding to Pharisees, and obviously He didn't think that they were righteous. The difference is this: He calls those who have been given to see that their own righteousnesses are as filthy rags, those with broken and contrite spirits:

"The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, you will not despise." (Psalm 51:17)

Some have been given to see their true natures, and those are the sinners Jesus was referring to, not the self-righteous like those Pharisees were.

And here is something else. Yes, many people seem good, and by human standards, they certainly are. But even this is a gift from God. People ARE generally "good" so long as things are alright in their lives. It's with struggle that we find out our true natures.

And everyone will struggle and learn at some point, either in this life or the next.

 

[Michael1981]

If Jesus ever did come back I wouldn't stop anyone from trying to crucify him again.

And how, exactly, does Jesus Christ differ from "your" Yahweh? How many times did the Lord destroy the Jews for their sins? Would you like to crucify Yahweh as well?

Forgive me if I'm missing your point here.

 

[james bond]

Not if you're looking for life. Telescopes wouldn't be expected to identify microbes or small scurrying creatures.



We can reach our solar system's moons and planets



Our present evidence does not support that conclusion.



Science has no need for a god hypothesis, so it includes none.

You keep pushing to insert a god into science. Why would science do that? The god hypothesis is unsupported by evidence, adds no explanatory or predictive power to any godless scientific theory, and adds unnecessary complication..



The multiverse hypothesis posits an aspect of reality distinct from the universe that was its source.



The Bible is evidence that it was written, nothing more.

Telescopes can tell us many things about an exoplanet including size, atmospheric makeup, wind speeds and weather patterns. This information may help us ascertain the probability whether this exoplanet can have water or not. These telescopes of exoplanets are not just looking for life, but a habitable planet.

That's what I said. Thus, we sent a probe and did in-depth analysis of Mars. We also sent a probe around Europa. @Polymath257 added Titan. These are our best hope. However, no microbe was found. As an aside, I just watched Life movie. It's not a great movie, but has a cell coming back from Mars as the antagonist. Look how scary atheist science can be.

So what does our present atheist science evidence support?

You mean atheist science. That's why it's atheist.

The multiverse has no aspect of reality when it has no evidence and cannot be tested. The same reason why the God hypothesis is rejected. Why do all these scientists argue for it?

Sure it does, especially when it's true such as only life begats life or when the Big Bang Theory can support creation (Genesis). An eternal universe would be against it.

The Bible is Word. Word.

 

[Rival]

And how, exactly, does Jesus Christ differ from "your" Yahweh? How many times did the Lord destroy the Jews for their sins? Would you like to crucify Yahweh as well?

Forgive me if I'm missing your point here.

HaShem has never destroyed the Jewish people. They are always redeemed at the end of their chastisements. HaShem has also never said, G-d forbid, that His people are 'of the devil' (which isn't even a Hebrew concept) or that they 'killed the prophets'. HaShem always invited the Jewish people to return to Him and repent. He never said they are not children of Abraham and condemned them to hell.