Why science unable to control Death ?

[Ben Dhyan]

...and Thief...Ephesians 5:14 ....

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Death and entropy are brothers.

 

[Milton Platt]

complex chemical reactions happen.....but that doesn't mean they are alive

Didn't say that. Said they are necessary for life. Do you have examples of life not involving chemical processes?


perhaps you might list the requirements for life.....

Why, you were the one with the blend hypothesis.......support it.

 

[Milton Platt]

denial is not a trump card

You do not make sense...denial of what, your beliefs?

 

[Thief]

...and Thief...Ephesians 5:14 ....

this quote you offer doesn't refer to the dead in their graves.

Let the dead bury the dead......as per the Carpenter....
points out that death is already in place .....even as you are breathing

 

[Thief]

Why, you were the one with the blend hypothesis.......support it.

not hypothesis.....
you are chemistry and spirit....

it's not your chemistry that will answer this post.....
it will be you....

 

[Thief]

Sure we are....we all come from the one immortal father...

God sleeps in the rock,
Dreams in the plant,
Stirs in the animal,
And Awakens in Man. - Al Arabi

nice poetry...
I was speaking the pending consequence if no one dies.

 

[Milton Platt]

not hypothesis.....
you are chemistry and spirit....

You are right..what you said isn't even a hypothesis...it is just an unfounded assertion.

it's not your chemistry that will answer this post.....
it will be you....[/QUOTE

I would be unable to read your post or answer it without "my chemistry". Without my chemistry, there is no me. Can you show that people exist outside of natural life? You like to make one line posts that contain baseless assertions.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

this quote you offer doesn't refer to the dead in their graves.

Let the dead bury the dead......as per the Carpenter....
points out that death is already in place .....even as you are breathing

No of course it doesn't...it refers to my post #263...

 

[URAVIP2ME]

has anyone offer a discussion......what if we are born to immortality?

Death was Not essential to Adam. Adam could have lived forever in perfect health-and-happiness on earth as long as Adam did Not break God's Law.
Even the angels are Not born to immortality. Sinner Satan will be destroyed by Jesus - Hebrews 2:14 B

Everlasting life does Not have to mean being immortal. Both angels and humans are: mortals.
Under Christ's coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over earth ' enemy death ' will be brought to nothing- 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Under Christ's rulership he will Not allow sickness and death to repeat itself - Nahum 1:9; Isaiah 33:24; Revelation 21:4-5
Everlasting life does Not mean immortality is granted, but everlasting life will be offered as it was offered to Adam before his downfall.

 

[Milton Platt]

Death was Not essential to Adam. Adam could have lived forever in perfect health-and-happiness on earth as long as Adam did Not break God's Law.
Even the angels are Not born to immortality. Sinner Satan will be destroyed by Jesus - Hebrews 2:14 B

Everlasting life does Not have to mean being immortal. Both angels and humans are: mortals.
Under Christ's coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over earth ' enemy death ' will be brought to nothing- 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Under Christ's rulership he will Not allow sickness and death to repeat itself - Nahum 1:9; Isaiah 33:24; Revelation 21:4-5
Everlasting life does Not mean immortality is granted, but everlasting life will be offered as it was offered to Adam before his downfall.

Everlasting means it lasts forever. You do not seem to make sense....can you explain how life that lasts forever is not the same as immortality?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

An open mind is fine, but critical thinking skills are very important, as is proper considerstion of all the evidence.
Of course the Bible exists....I have several versions myself. So what?
Yes you can believe in any part of the bible you wish. What is important however is not what you believe, but what is actually true. Teachings cannot be gullible, people are sometimes gullible. Gullibility is a synonym for faith.
I have not seen any instance where Jesus was using logic, only expounding on old Jewish customs and laws.

Gullibility is a synonym for ' blind faith ' ( credulity )
What is there in the teachings of Christ that are gullible?
Jesus addressed the ' rumor ' that was common to the 1st-century people that they were taught to hate their enemies - Matthew 5:43
That was Never part of the Constitution of the Mosaic Law to hate one's enemies.
Jesus pointed out rather to love one's enemies - Matthew 5:44; Exodus 23:4-5; Leviticus 19:18 B
Jesus did Not add or subtract from the Law, but the hate-filled Pharisees did - Matthew 15:9
Wasn't Jesus' logical in his reasoning about what he was teaching the people in connection to what was already written down in the Law?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Everlasting means it lasts forever. You do not seem to make sense....can you explain how life that lasts forever is not the same as immortality?

It's in the offer: Adam was offered everlasting life ( live forever ) as long as he did Not break God's Law. Adam broke that offer and forfeited his right to everlasting life.

Sinning ( breaking God's Law ) can lead to everlasting death ( dead forever )

Satan is a sinner and all sinners pay the price of sin which is: death - Romans 6:23

Mortal Satan could have lived forever in the heavens if he had kept God's Law.

Unlike for Satan and Adam, Jesus stands in our place, thus covering our leanings toward wrongdoing, and Jesus opens up the way for us to gain what was originally offered to Adam.
That is why Jesus could say the words of Matthew 5:5 in connection to Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29.

 

[Milton Platt]

It's in the offer: Adam was offered everlasting life ( live forever ) as long as he did Not break God's Law. Adam broke that offer and forfeited his right to everlasting life.

Sinning ( breaking God's Law ) can lead to everlasting death ( dead forever )

Satan is a sinner and all sinners pay the price of sin which is: death - Romans 6:23

Mortal Satan could have lived forever in the heavens if he had kept God's Law.

Unlike for Satan and Adam, Jesus stands in our place, thus covering our leanings toward wrongdoing, and Jesus opens up the way for us to gain what was originally offered to Adam.
That is why Jesus could say the words of Matthew 5:5 in connection to Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29.

Okay, I see your meaning now. Everlasting life is conditional immortality.

 

[Deeje]

Okay, I see your meaning now. Everlasting life is conditional immortality.

Actually everlasting life (continuing to live without aging or disease) was conditional on obedience.
Immortality literally means "the power of an indestructible life". Since mortals depend on external factors for existence, (oxygen, food water) lacking any of those factors would also result in death. So mortals can never be immortal unless they are given immortal bodies that do not require what we do to live here on earth.

 

[Milton Platt]

Actually everlasting life (continuing to live without aging or disease) was conditional on obedience.
Immortality literally means "the power of an indestructible life". Since mortals depend on external factors for existence, (oxygen, food water) lacking any of those factors would also result in death. So mortals can never be immortal unless they are given immortal bodies that do not require what we do to live here on earth.

Okay, thanks for the explanation of your belief. It is always interesting to hear the many different ways Christians interpret the scriptures.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Okay, thanks for the explanation of your belief. It is always interesting to hear the many different ways Christians interpret the scriptures.

I am not sure they are Christian.....https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

 

[Thief]

Death was Not essential to Adam. Adam could have lived forever in perfect health-and-happiness on earth as long as Adam did Not break God's Law.
Even the angels are Not born to immortality. Sinner Satan will be destroyed by Jesus - Hebrews 2:14 B

Everlasting life does Not have to mean being immortal. Both angels and humans are: mortals.
Under Christ's coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over earth ' enemy death ' will be brought to nothing- 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Under Christ's rulership he will Not allow sickness and death to repeat itself - Nahum 1:9; Isaiah 33:24; Revelation 21:4-5
Everlasting life does Not mean immortality is granted, but everlasting life will be offered as it was offered to Adam before his downfall.

I don't believe mortal life was ever intended to be forever.
Adam didn't fail the test.

being destroyed on a spiritual level doesn't mean you were not immortal
just killed

 

[Thief]

No of course it doesn't...it refers to my post #263...

so your post is more to permanent ...'mind-meld'...?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

so your post is more to permanent ...'mind-meld'...?

Haha..sort of but more than that....it is more like that which is being conveyed in the divine wedding union metaphor used in the bible.....whereby one becomes an indivisible aspect of God......presumably an angelic being....