Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
The majority of the world was earning way less than 10 dollars a day even just a few hundred years ago.
If every human were to give up modern luxuries with you, would you do so?
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Why science unable to control Death ?
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If every human were to give up modern luxuries with you, would you do so?
Thana
Lady
Yes but we weren't so overpopulated, so polluted and so lacking in land. Now our oceans are overfished and the poor can't even feed themselves that way, They're turning to blowing up reefs with homemade bombs (Which destroys their hands and the ecosystem which takes thousands of years to restore itself) just to get a couple of fish to feed their family. Animals are going extinct, water reservoirs are going extinct and we've already burned through more than half of our non-renewable resources. Every single day our jungles, forests, reefs and swamplands are shrinking and the air is getting worse. I was reading a study that suggested we don't even have 100 years until it becomes toxic.
So at the very least humanity had a future back then. Now it looks like we don't, and we're taking every living thing down with us.
So no, I don't think it's worth it. And I don't think any reasonable, informed person would.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
We weren't overpopulated back then because we were dying in our 20's, 30's and 40's of what are now considered preventable illnesses and diseases.
I will admit that consumerism makes things worse, but the problem with overpopulation isn't just the rich people overconsuming, but also the poor people having large amounts of children.
It appears that the more economically developed and educated people are, the less offspring they produce, but at the same time they consume more per capita - so it's almost zero sum.
As for trimming human numbers, who is going to go? Personally I believe in voluntary euthanasia being legal for the terminally ill and people over 25, but I appear to be in the absolute minority there.
Thana
Lady
Well, one way or another our population will reduce. Whether it's because of war over resources, global warming, pollution or we simply nuke ourselves makes little difference.
And I wasn't saying that life was better before, I'm just saying life now isn't working and people's naivety and wilful ignorance on the subject isn't helping any.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Where are these stats on world suckage?
Midnight Rain
Well-Known Member
Cellular death is a programed part of our existence. Life without death is cancer and is terrible. There is a natural order to these things. All waves must crash into the shore. Its like asking why science hasn't figured out how to turn off gravity.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Yeah well? When will science get off it's arse and turn off gravity? I could fly to work instead of taking this miserable public transportation.
Come on, science!
Nurion
Member
Well I would disagree with that statement. Almost every country in the world is on the pinnacle of its existence, and will probably only improve in the years to come. Could things be better? Well of course. But crime rates continue to drop in most parts of the world relative to the population. There is more food per person, cleaner water for most, more access to education... So if you ask any person over 40 living in a country of your choice whether the situation has imporved in recent years, I would argue most would say that people are better of today than they were back when they were kids.
Oh that would be so awesome.
Unfortunately we still have no idea how gravity works and therefore this will remain a dream for a long time. I'm opting for JetPacks instead.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
God sends little angels with invisible fish-hooks to stand under our feet and anchor us to the Earth. True story!
Nurion
Member
Well that explains a lot, I always thought it was Zeus that charges things with static electricity, which makes them stick to the ground.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Well said.
Life can't exist without death. Our own survival depends on killing animals or at least plants for sustenance. Also, in our body, cells are produced and die constantly.
Also, what would happen if we suddenly could make all of us on this planet live forever? Would we stop producing more babies all of a sudden or would we continue to grow? There are 350,000+ babies born each day on this planet. That's 127,750,000 each year. Where would we find food for all these new beings? And doesn't it mean that whatever biological matter they're made of came from other life forms? Eventually the whole world would run out of animals (no more biological matter), and there would only be humans. What would we eat? Become cannibals? Sure, we can become vegetarians all of us, but the more babies we have, the less biomatter will be for plants. One solution would be to stop producing babies. Another would be to change our metabolism to eat rocks and get enough substance, or perhaps artificial pills made in a factory. Another one would be to go into space and expand to other planets. Not sure what the answer would be, but my point is that if we lived forever, we'd have an avalanche of social problems following it that we don't have answers for yet. To solve the problem of death and have eternal life, we have to solve life first, how to live such a life.
Nurion
Member
Life can exist without death, there are organisms that reproduce perfectly and therefore live forever, Turritopsis doohmii for example.
The thing is that the more complex an organism gets, the higher is the cost to keep up a perfect organism that lives forever. Since there are many ways to die other than of old age, it has never been necessary for organisms to stay that way once they reached adulthood. Therefore, a replication on a cellular level that was approximately perfect was enough. So evolution can explain why we age the way we age.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
The settlement of Mars would become even more important than it already is.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
What do they eat? Sunlight? Energy? Heat? Or are they eating other life forms that have to die?
Besides, can humans become a jelly fish so they can become immortal? And how does this jelly fish sustain immortality?
In other words, to reach immortality for humans, we have to change how things are done now. We have to become jellyfish to do it.
My point was, currently, our way of living is preventing us from defeating death. It's not just making our bodies immortal, but to change how we consume and reproduce. They're tightly integrated, all those problems, in the same, not just "death" as such, but also "life" as such.
Regardless of how jellyfish lives, to we solve the "death problem", we have to also solve the "living problem".
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Yup.
But the problem is radiation in transit, which probably could be solved if we become partially artificial (essentially cyborgs). I believe to solve the "death problem" we have to become more artificial. Replace our metabolic system, heart, lungs, nerves, muscles, all of it, and eventually even the brain, with artificial replacements, then death might be undone at last.
Nurion
Member
Well they are not immortal in the way that they cannot die or cheat death or live without sustaining themselves, only that they can live indefinitely if they manage to not die due to unforeseen circumstances.
And you are right, in order to stop dying, we would have to stop living in the fashion that we do.
gnostic
The Lost One
What would be the point of living longer, if you are confined to a bed or wheel chair, or being attached to a machine or breathing apparatus?
If I can't do anything if I lived passed 100, perhaps living another 50 to 100 years, and be as healthy and fit at the same time, then that's not really living.
If I can't do anything if I lived passed 100, perhaps living another 50 to 100 years, and be as healthy and fit at the same time, then that's not really living.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Why God hate abortion but cause miscarriage?