Why Scientists need to accept Eastern thought

[j1i]

I will try to keep my topic simple. There are multiple reasons why Western scientists need to adopt but I will only offer two:

1. Eastern thought provides an objective approach to acquire knowledge.
Eastern mystics discovered a practice and tool long ago to explore consciousness and reality, and that practice is 'meditation'. This method is objective because it removes the filters that tend to distort reality - the mind and senses. If you cease all mental and sensory input, then you are no longer subject to bias, feelings, limitations but rather you experience reality as it is.

2. Eastern thought has a wealth of knowledge that deals with the same things that scientists deal with- the nature of consciousness and reality.
Eastern thinkers did not intend to explore every bit of physical Universe like science does. Eastern thinkers main focus was on the nature of consciousness and reality. As such, the mystics have discovered different states of consciousness that go beyond the limited classifications of scientists. One fact from Eastern thought is that consciousness does not exist independently of matter. Another fact is that consciousness can transcend "self" when it exists in everything (or as part of everything) as opposed to being fixed to one thing. Call this universal or Cosmic consciousness. Given the fact that Western materialist scientists are stumped when it comes to consciousness, it would be wise they seek insight from Eastern thinkers. To date, many scientists are flocking to the Dalai Lama so that should tell you something.

Your thoughts. Do you agree that science needs to adopt Eastern thought?

hi
i want share (^_^)! with you please

mysticism carry out a process of freezing of mindfulness

As ourselves be vulnerable to attacks like what the human body is infected with germs permanently.

Well the brain gets a permanent mental attack of evil energy we call a demon
This activity weakens the heart muscle and makes it sick or invalid

Some try to keep away the specter of negative energy by gaining positive energy from material such as beautiful scenery or song or sitting to see nice things

But this activity is draining humanitarian efforts
The world needs to research, seek knowledge and do humanitarian efforts Build environmentally friendly earth
Why waste our time in mysticism
While the world dies due to plastic waste
Why not Mystic in scientific laboratories
Or mysticism in human shelters

I am against wasting time in wasteless philosophical waste

 

[Spirit of Light]

I will try to keep my topic simple. There are multiple reasons why Western scientists need to adopt but I will only offer two:

1. Eastern thought provides an objective approach to acquire knowledge.
Eastern mystics discovered a practice and tool long ago to explore consciousness and reality, and that practice is 'meditation'. This method is objective because it removes the filters that tend to distort reality - the mind and senses. If you cease all mental and sensory input, then you are no longer subject to bias, feelings, limitations but rather you experience reality as it is.

2. Eastern thought has a wealth of knowledge that deals with the same things that scientists deal with- the nature of consciousness and reality.
Eastern thinkers did not intend to explore every bit of physical Universe like science does. Eastern thinkers main focus was on the nature of consciousness and reality. As such, the mystics have discovered different states of consciousness that go beyond the limited classifications of scientists. One fact from Eastern thought is that consciousness does not exist independently of matter. Another fact is that consciousness can transcend "self" when it exists in everything (or as part of everything) as opposed to being fixed to one thing. Call this universal or Cosmic consciousness. Given the fact that Western materialist scientists are stumped when it comes to consciousness, it would be wise they seek insight from Eastern thinkers. To date, many scientists are flocking to the Dalai Lama so that should tell you something.

Your thoughts. Do you agree that science needs to adopt Eastern thought?

Personally, i trust easter philosophy more then science of today

 

[j1i]

Personally, i trust easter philosophy more then science of today

Good luck, my friend

Can you tell me what achievements you can make in meditation

I mean what are the pros you get directly and people in general

I just want to get to know the idea of a fitter concept

thanks too much

i miss you my friend

 

[exchemist]

I will try to keep my topic simple. There are multiple reasons why Western scientists need to adopt but I will only offer two:

1. Eastern thought provides an objective approach to acquire knowledge.
Eastern mystics discovered a practice and tool long ago to explore consciousness and reality, and that practice is 'meditation'. This method is objective because it removes the filters that tend to distort reality - the mind and senses. If you cease all mental and sensory input, then you are no longer subject to bias, feelings, limitations but rather you experience reality as it is.

2. Eastern thought has a wealth of knowledge that deals with the same things that scientists deal with- the nature of consciousness and reality.
Eastern thinkers did not intend to explore every bit of physical Universe like science does. Eastern thinkers main focus was on the nature of consciousness and reality. As such, the mystics have discovered different states of consciousness that go beyond the limited classifications of scientists. One fact from Eastern thought is that consciousness does not exist independently of matter. Another fact is that consciousness can transcend "self" when it exists in everything (or as part of everything) as opposed to being fixed to one thing. Call this universal or Cosmic consciousness. Given the fact that Western materialist scientists are stumped when it comes to consciousness, it would be wise they seek insight from Eastern thinkers. To date, many scientists are flocking to the Dalai Lama so that should tell you something.

Your thoughts. Do you agree that science needs to adopt Eastern thought?

No and I doubt you will find any serious Indian scientist who thinks so either.

As @Polymath257 has pointed out, most of what you have written is philosophy (or metaphysics) and not science. From the way you write it looks as if you do not understand the difference.

The essence of science is empiricism: reliance on objective observation of nature - or as near to objective as we can get - by means of reproducible observation of its behaviour. Science formulates testable hypotheses - testable by further observation - to account for the patterns observed. If you stray away from reproducible observation and testable hypotheses, you are not doing science any more.

There is not a single reference to either, in your entire post.

If you want to make a case that "Eastern thought" has a contribution to make, you would do well to consider how it can help either with making objective observations or - perhaps more likely - how it may be able to help with the creative process of formulating testable hypotheses.

 

[exchemist]

Personally, i trust easter philosophy more then science of today

Ever travelled by air?

 

[exchemist]

The spirit of science is about objectivity. Meditation does not take away from this. Refer to my last comment to Polymath.


You do not need to assume. All of the facts I brought up can be verified if you are willing to experience for yourself. Dr. Eben Alexander was a hardline materialist, and he is now convinced after he experienced.

Eben Alexander appears at number 1306 in the Encyclopaedia of American Loons: Encyclopedia of American Loons: Search results for eben alexander

I quote one passage: "Oliver Sacks points out that Alexander’s account is “is more than unscientific – it is antiscientific.” In particular, his experiences have a perfectly natural explanation (having occurred as he was surfacing from the coma and his cortex was returning to full function). Alexander rules out this natural explanation in favor of a supernatural one … by fiat."

In other words, Alexander is a deluded crank.

 

[ajay0]

No and I doubt you will find any serious Indian scientist who thinks so either.

As @Polymath257 has pointed out, most of what you have written is philosophy (or metaphysics) and not science. From the way you write it looks as if you do not understand the difference.

The essence of science is empiricism: reliance on objective observation of nature - or as near to objective as we can get - by means of reproducible observation of its behaviour. Science formulates testable hypotheses - testable by further observation - to account for the patterns observed. If you stray away from reproducible observation and testable hypotheses, that you are not doing science any more.

There not a single reference to either, in your entire post.

If you want to make a case that "Eastern thought" has a contribution to make, you would do well to consider how it can help either with making objective observations or - perhaps more likely - how it may be able to help with the creative process of formulating testable hypotheses.

Eastern philosophy deals with self-knowledge of who I am or who we are really underneath all the labels. If you know who you are , you can relate properly to the world around you.

Science deals with systematic analysis of a thing. It does not necessarily inculcate higher values in a human being for the better. Science combined with nihilism or existentialism can be quite foolish and destructive and can wipe out the world through an erroneous thought process and incorrect decision making.

Science does not have a moral dimension. It is like a knife. If you give it to a surgeon or a murderer, each will use it differently. - Wernher von Braun

 

[Native]

Isn´t it funny how participants in this forum always splits up in two main groups: Those who strictly holds onto the modern scientific methods and those, who (also) take a philosophical or, as in this case, an Eastern meditative approach.
Personally I´ll go along with @Nanona in this sentense:

Before the modern age, what we now call science was merely known as 'natural philosophy.'

Of course several scientific areas works strictly scientific and fine, but regarding the "cosmological department" in modern science, much more natural philosophical thinking/meditation is IMO needed instead of letting theoretical physics and mathematics taking over.

 

[exchemist]

Eastern philosophy deals with self-knowledge of who I am or who we are really underneath all the labels. If you know who you are , you can relate properly to the world around you.

Science deals with systematic analysis of a thing. It does not necessarily inculcate higher values in a human being for the better. Science combined with nihilism or existentialism can be quite foolish and destructive and can wipe out the world through an erroneous thought process and incorrect decision making.

Science does not have a moral dimension. It is like a knife. If you give it to a surgeon or a murderer, each will use it differently. - Wernher von Braun

So science cannot wipe out the world. Politicians and their military servants can do this, using technology, developed from science. And "Eastern thought" has no monopoly on providing a moral dimension to human thought and action, obviously.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

No because science is not a philosophy

It is a philosophy.

 

[ajay0]

So science cannot wipe out the world. Politicians and their military servants can do this, using technology, developed from science.

And also those with an erroneous thought process misguided by half-baked philosophies.

And "Eastern thought" has no monopoly on providing a moral dimension to human thought and action, obviously.

Eastern philosophy is ancient, the western counterpart is not. Much of the questions posed in western philosophy has answers in the eastern.

I would say proper understanding of eastern philosophies like Advaita showcases clearly the infancy of western philosophies like nihilism and existentialism in comparison.

 

[exchemist]

And also those with an erroneous thought process misguided by half-baked philosophies.


Eastern philosophy is ancient, the western counterpart is not. Much of the questions posed in western philosophy has answers in the eastern.

I would say proper understanding of eastern philosophies like Advaita showcases clearly the infancy of western philosophies like nihilism and existentialism in comparison.

It may well do so, but a p***ing contest as to what culture has the oldest philosophy is completely irrelevant to whether or not "Eastern thought" has anything to contribute to science.

 

[exchemist]

It is a philosophy.

It arose from something called natural philosophy, but I would be surprised to find many today who would seriously claim modern science is a philosophy. What is your argument that it is?

 

[ChristineM]

I will try to keep my topic simple. There are multiple reasons why Western scientists need to adopt but I will only offer two:

1. Eastern thought provides an objective approach to acquire knowledge.
Eastern mystics discovered a practice and tool long ago to explore consciousness and reality, and that practice is 'meditation'. This method is objective because it removes the filters that tend to distort reality - the mind and senses. If you cease all mental and sensory input, then you are no longer subject to bias, feelings, limitations but rather you experience reality as it is.

2. Eastern thought has a wealth of knowledge that deals with the same things that scientists deal with- the nature of consciousness and reality.
Eastern thinkers did not intend to explore every bit of physical Universe like science does. Eastern thinkers main focus was on the nature of consciousness and reality. As such, the mystics have discovered different states of consciousness that go beyond the limited classifications of scientists. One fact from Eastern thought is that consciousness does not exist independently of matter. Another fact is that consciousness can transcend "self" when it exists in everything (or as part of everything) as opposed to being fixed to one thing. Call this universal or Cosmic consciousness. Given the fact that Western materialist scientists are stumped when it comes to consciousness, it would be wise they seek insight from Eastern thinkers. To date, many scientists are flocking to the Dalai Lama so that should tell you something.

Your thoughts. Do you agree that science needs to adopt Eastern thought?

Absolutely not, science is well defined, experiment and observation of the physical and natural. No philosophy and subjective reasoning need apply

 

[ajay0]

It may well do so, but a p***ing contest as to what culture has the oldest philosophy is completely irrelevant to whether or not "Eastern thought" has anything to contribute to science.

Eastern philosophy is only interested in providing or aiding the moral dimension needed in handling the tool of science for the welfare of humanity and the world, so that the world does not end up getting wiped out by nut cases under the influence of lopsided philosophies.

Modern mathematics itself originated in India through the Indian numeral system and zero, both of which are products of eastern philosophical systems like Sankhya (number) and Shunyata (zero-emptiness), along with algebra, trigometry, arithmetic, decimal system.

This was learnt and expanded upon by the Arabs and later on by the Europeans. The Europeans discarded their long used Roman numeral system considering the practicality of the eastern one and its capacity for indepth calculations and it revolutionised science, technology and commerce in the west and the world. This also enabled europe to emerge from the fog of the dark ages.

Hence the west has a lot to thank eastern philosophy for.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It is amazing how religious thought pervades the world in the subconscious min of man, to be brought forth through reflection and mediation.

The harmony of Science and Religion being a high aspiration.

Regards Tony

 

[Guitar's Cry]

It arose from something called natural philosophy, but I would be surprised to find many today who would seriously claim modern science is a philosophy. What is your argument that it is?

Philosophy is the seeking of knowledge in various forms. Science is a form for seeking knowledge.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It is a philosophy.

You can get philosophical about it, but science is definitely not a philosophy.

It's a procedure used to establish and verify facts on just about anything that's testable.

 

[Polymath257]

"Repeatability" and "publicity" speak to how to achieve objectivity. Meditation is another way because it can be practiced without personal feelings and prejudices. If anything, it is also repeatable although it is not a third-person method.

I disagree that it is a valid way to get objective knowledge. It may give some personal insights, but it massively fails to give valid information about the universe in general.

 

[sealchan]

I will try to keep my topic simple. There are multiple reasons why Western scientists need to adopt but I will only offer two:

1. Eastern thought provides an objective approach to acquire knowledge.
Eastern mystics discovered a practice and tool long ago to explore consciousness and reality, and that practice is 'meditation'. This method is objective because it removes the filters that tend to distort reality - the mind and senses. If you cease all mental and sensory input, then you are no longer subject to bias, feelings, limitations but rather you experience reality as it is.

2. Eastern thought has a wealth of knowledge that deals with the same things that scientists deal with- the nature of consciousness and reality.
Eastern thinkers did not intend to explore every bit of physical Universe like science does. Eastern thinkers main focus was on the nature of consciousness and reality. As such, the mystics have discovered different states of consciousness that go beyond the limited classifications of scientists. One fact from Eastern thought is that consciousness does not exist independently of matter. Another fact is that consciousness can transcend "self" when it exists in everything (or as part of everything) as opposed to being fixed to one thing. Call this universal or Cosmic consciousness. Given the fact that Western materialist scientists are stumped when it comes to consciousness, it would be wise they seek insight from Eastern thinkers. To date, many scientists are flocking to the Dalai Lama so that should tell you something.

Your thoughts. Do you agree that science needs to adopt Eastern thought?

Yes. I think that the phenomenological insight that the Eastern meditative practices can contribute is an important dimension of the science of consciousness studies.