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Why Should Atheists and Polytheists complain in hell?

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Let say the christian side is true, resulting in the burning of non-christians. I wouldnt complain because i made the choice to disbelieve in trinity.
So i would expect the same behavior from atheists and polytheists. God sents messengers to give gladtidings and warnings. So i believe atheists and polytheists have no real excuse.

'Christian' side is true ?
How can the 'Christian side be the resulting in the burning of non-Christians' be the Christian side ?
The 'burning' part especially entered the hellfire picture when the Jews began mixing with non-Jews.
They gradually adopted non-Christian theories and philosophies as being Scripture when Not really being Scripture.
KJV Bibles translated the word Gehenna as: hellfire. Gehenna was just a garbage pit where things were destroyed Not kept burning forever. So, Gehenna is a fitting word for destruction and Not forever burning, such as in the wicked are destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7

When saying the ' Christian side is true ' that is saying what Scripture says about the condition of the dead is true:
There is NO postmortem penalty connected with being unconscious in death as said at Ecclesiastes 9:5.
The was NO postmortem penalty for father Adam but simply returning to non-life (dust ) - Genesis 3:19
There is NO postmortem penalty at death as mentioned in the Psalms such as Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3 Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4
There was NO postmortem penalty but an awakening from death's sleep for the prophet Daniel - Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13
There was NO postmortem penalty for Jesus' dead friend but just death's sleep at John 11:11-14
There was NO postmortem penalty for the dead Jesus while the dead Jesus was in biblical hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27

Hasn't the majority of humankind lived and died before Jesus came to earth ?________
They had No opportunity to put faith in Jesus as Messiah.
King David is still awaiting his resurrection - Acts of the Apostles 2:34-35
Jesus' enemies do Not become his footstool until Jesus starts his coming 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth.
Then, there will be the future resurrection as mentioned at Acts of the Apostles 24:15
The majority, or most of mankind, will be awakened from death's deep sleep. Some to heaven - Revelation 20:6 - but most people will be resurrected or restored back to healthy physical life on earth.- Revelation 22:2
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Imagine on ur death bed you see the angels of torture but u cant warn the people, there is curtain between you and the living world. People only see a dying man, however you witness something else.
Thats the moment a atheist would think: Oh ***, i made the wrong choice! :D
You don't expect an atheist to truly worry about that, do you?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Now Atheists and Polytheists dont believe in God, Hell or Paradise.

They don't? Which atheists and polytheists have you asked?

Speaking as a polytheist, I don't actually reject your god, nor your ideas about an otherworld called "hell" or an otherworld called "paradise." They are simply not part of my tradition. I don't find classical monotheism compelling, nor do I find the mythos of the "hell" and "paradise" otherworlds compelling either.


So why should they complain if they see the angels of punishment?

What "angels of punishment?" What are those? I've only ever met one angel in the apparent world, and that would be my mother. And the only angel I've met in the otherworlds never described himself as such, and... well... punishment definitely was not one of his M.O.'s. Honestly, I don't think the word "punishment" was even in his vocabulary. :D


Is it not better to accept reality and be patient with it. Because it doesnt matter if u complain or not, there is no way out.

Huh? But I do accept reality... and probably a great deal more of it than most humans do seeing as how there is nothing that I would call "not real." Also, when was I complaining? What was I complaining about? Hmm. Last thing I complained about was... yes, it was human wastefulness. Today was scav day, and although I think I didn't quite hit it at the right time this year, I did still come across massive piles of human wastefulness that were sickening to behold. Something worth complaining, about, I think. That said, I did manage to get a new vacuum cleaner. For free. Two of them, actually. Whichever one I don't like will get donated to Goodwill or something. Better than it ending up in a dumpster. Both of the darned things work and everything! :D
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Let say the christian side is true, resulting in the burning of non-christians. I wouldnt complain because i made the choice to disbelieve in trinity.

So i would expect the same behavior from atheists and polytheists. God sents messengers to give gladtidings and warnings. So i believe atheists and polytheists have no real excuse.

Anybody can claim to be a messenger from God. Why should we believe anything they say. Should we be Mormon because Joseph Smith claimed to be a messenger from God?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Now Atheists and Polytheists dont believe in God, Hell or Paradise. So why should they complain if they see the angels of punishment?

Is it not better to accept reality and be patient with it. Because it doesnt matter if u complain or not, there is no way out.

I understand when Jews and Christians would speak out, seeking mercy because they though they followed guidance. But in my opinion i dont think Atheists and Polytheists have good reason to complain.

The only complaint I would have is that the message wasn't as clear as it could possibly be.

Beyond that, however, if my fate is eternal fire because I'm naturally inclined to polytheism, so be it. I'd honestly prefer that hellfire, frankly, if God is that petty. The Devil's got the best tunes, as they say.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Let say the christian side is true, resulting in the burning of non-christians. I wouldnt complain because i made the choice to disbelieve in trinity.

So i would expect the same behavior from atheists and polytheists. God sents messengers to give gladtidings and warnings. So i believe atheists and polytheists have no real excuse.

So, since it's quite clear from the myriad of stories on the subject that people who cross the Olympioi get sent to Tartarus, and monotheists by definition cross the Olympioi, would you maintain that same attitude?
 

Parsimony

Well-Known Member
Let say the christian side is true, resulting in the burning of non-christians. I wouldnt complain because i made the choice to disbelieve in trinity.
Can you really call that a choice, though? Can you spontaneously decide to change your beliefs without some form of evidence or reasoning behind the change? That's just not how belief works. You can't just start (or stop) believing in something for no reason. If you reject the Trinity, then apparently that's because you find it more sensible to see God as a completely single entity than as a three-part entity. Likewise, an atheist, agnostic or polytheist cannot spontaneous decide to believe in Allah. Evidence and reasoning sufficient to change their minds would have to be given to them in order for that to occur. People are not in complete control of their beliefs. If you disagree with me, try going for a full day believing that the Moon is made of cheese. Don't just pretend to believe in it, you have to actually believe in it. You simply won't be able to.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
Now Atheists and Polytheists dont believe in God, Hell or Paradise. So why should they complain if they see the angels of punishment?

Is it not better to accept reality and be patient with it. Because it doesnt matter if u complain or not, there is no way out.

I understand when Jews and Christians would speak out, seeking mercy because they though they followed guidance. But in my opinion i dont think Atheists and Polytheists have good reason to complain.

I'm not gonna complain about something that doesn't exist, sorry.
 

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Now Atheists and Polytheists dont believe in God, Hell or Paradise. So why should they complain if they see the angels of punishment?

Is it not better to accept reality and be patient with it. Because it doesnt matter if u complain or not, there is no way out.

I understand when Jews and Christians would speak out, seeking mercy because they though they followed guidance. But in my opinion i dont think Atheists and Polytheists have good reason to complain.

I wont complain if your Hell is real, and I go there.
I'd take it over your Heaven any day.

What I complain about, usually, is people teaching such things to children.
 

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Imagine on ur death bed you see the angels of torture but u cant warn the people, there is curtain between you and the living world. People only see a dying man, however you witness something else.
Thats the moment a atheist would think: Oh ***, i made the wrong choice! :D

LOL I have one word I know I would think/say if such a thing ever happened.

"cool"
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
I wont complain if your Hell is real, and I go there.
I'd take it over your Heaven any day.

What I complain about, usually, is people teaching such things to children.

I agree for the most part but I will say that at some point, children should be educated, intellectually, about all religions and faiths. If they then make a choice, that is up to them, not the parent.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Now Atheists and Polytheists dont believe in God, Hell or Paradise. So why should they complain if they see the angels of punishment?
If I ever discovered that there was a God I would be thrilled to do whatever I could to do what is wanted of me. Even if this only happened posthumously.
Why would God care about what I did or believed while I was a limited meat being with nobody but you to explain God to me?

You might be the one in big trouble, because you knew the Truth and didn't explain it to the rest of us.
Tom
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Simply put we are punished for not believing in an idea that has no evidence, has counter arguments, has competing ideas from other religions rather than any action done by us. All show how arbitrary such deities are. Believe or be tortured is a primative human response to one rejecting an authority. It is irrational. Any God that supports these ideas is not benevolent thus is not a God, just a powerful tyrant.

And thus not worthy of worship.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
How humanlike it would be of an omnipotent creator to have a punishment for not believing something that has no proof. The world seems much more complex than that.
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
Now Atheists and Polytheists dont believe in God, Hell or Paradise. So why should they complain if they see the angels of punishment?

Is it not better to accept reality and be patient with it. Because it doesnt matter if u complain or not, there is no way out.

I understand when Jews and Christians would speak out, seeking mercy because they though they followed guidance. But in my opinion i dont think Atheists and Polytheists have good reason to complain.
It can also say in the same tone by other religion towards you.
Some edit:

Why should you complain in other religion's version of hell?

Now you dont believe in other religion's God X , their version of Hell or Paradise. So why should you complain if you see their version of angels of punishment?

Is it not better to accept their version of reality and be patient with it. Because it doesnt matter if you complain or not, there is no way out.

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That's just an empty threat.

I understand when Jews and Christians would speak out, seeking mercy because they though they followed guidance. But in my opinion i dont think Atheists and Polytheists have good reason to complain.
That is just your personal opinion, many don't agree with you.

Repeatedly saying "people will go to hell for not following your god" will not make it any more credible. It's unconvincing.

Other religion can also say the same things to you that "you'll go to their version of hell for not following their god".

Your religion's claims is no more credible than other religion's claims.
You think your religion's claims is exclusive, it's not, because similar claims can also be seem in other religion.

And then you may give many arguments/proof/evidence to prove that your religion is the only right religion in the world and say that people don't believe what you say because of unsincere and with bias intentions; but in a similar situation, other religion can also provide the similar arguments/proof/evidence and say that you don't believe what they say is because of unsincere.

It's really unconvincing.
 
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I haven't read all the comments as my time is limited on the net, but in response to the original OP, here goes...

Whether it's from a Moslem (like myself) or a Christian, I can't help but notice that some are so adamant and secure on who is going to Paradise in the Hereafter, or the burning fires of Hell. I get roasted for this all the time in Islamic forums from the hadith-fanatics, and their Christian cousins seem to fare no better. No one knows anything until Judgement Day. Until then, we can only make assumptions

Atheists...a very funny lot when they get evangelical, especially those in the fields of science and mathematics. Otherwise, they're generally ok and tend to keep to themselves. It was once said in an Islamic forum that no one knows if atheists will burn in the afterlife. Me?...I couldn't care less. I'm not about saving anyone, or increasing the Islamic population, or that of the Christians or Jews. Everybody does what they like within the bounds of the West's secular laws as far as I'm concerned. Live and let live..
 

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Everybody does what they like within the bounds of the West's secular laws as far as I'm concerned.

Did you word this to purposefully insinuate that the concept of "anything goes" is allowed within secular law?
Simple 'yes' or 'no', please. I'm not trying to attack your wording just yet, just trying to gather the meaning.
 
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