Why should I believe in your religion and faith?

[Fish-Hunter]

Yes I did.
I also noticed his witch hunt attempt on USS.
But as was already pointed out, He revealed his own hypocrisy with that one.

Guess he never heard about cleaning ones own back yard before whining about the neighbors

We don't want the heretics to burn! At least people are viewing this thread. Be nice.

Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. Jude 1:22-23

 

[uss_bigd]

A red flag of false teaching can be found when a particular religious group or organization claims to be "The One True Church". It seems to me that your particular organization appears to fit that category. I apologize in advance if I am wrong with your church's apparent claim of being "The One True Church". By your answer and your church website, I have interpreted it to claim to be "The One True Church". That theme seems to be very popular on this site from unorthodox Christian organizations.

sigh! I was transparent with you with the thinking that you were hunting for the truth. but apparently you have a different agenda.

I did not ay "WE" claim to be the one true chruch. why? because we didnot establish a new chruch.

Now read this again. what we claim is we "ASSOCIATED" our selves with the chruch in the bible by following the same teachings written there in.

Now, assuming you now understand the difference between:

"Claiming to be and claiming to be associated with," you are either implying there isn't a chruch in the bible or you do not believe in the church in the bible.

which is which?

 

[uss_bigd]

Ang Dating Daan - About Us

Section 3

We believe that the God the Father sent His son Jesus Christ, instrumental in the establishment of the CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL, INC., the congregation of the Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, etc; first planted in the city of Jerusalem, and later on scattered and preached by the Apostles in different places of Asia Minor ( Matt. 16:18; Acts 8:1; Gal. 1:22; I Thes.2:14 ).

With the statement of faith above, does the Church of God International, INC claim to be the One True Church?

DW070 - equip.org

THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD:

RESURRECTED INTO ORTHODOXY

Herbert W. Armstrong died in 1986 at the patriarchal age of 93, and his Worldwide Church of God has been burying portions of his theology ever since. During this decade-long funeral, the WCG itself has experienced an institutional suffering and dying, losing 130 or more of its 450 ministers and seeing at least 30,000 members scatter into 25 splinter churches or out of church life entirely.



Distinctives. The Worldwide Church of God became known for an assortment of doctrinal distinctives that placed it at odds with historic Christianity. Among other aberrations, Armstrong:

• Condemned the Trinity as a pagan doctrine.​

• Taught that “all saints” become little gods after their resurrection.​

• Denied that Christians can be born again prior to the resurrection.​

• Promoted Anglo-Israelism, the belief that British people are the literal descendants of the ten “lost” tribes of Israel.​

• Urged keeping the Old Testament law, including strict Sabbath observance and dietary restrictions.​

• Prohibited celebrating Christmas or Easter, which he condemned as pagan holidays. (Instead, WCG members observed seven Holy Days: Passover, the Festival of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, the Festival of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, the Festival of Tabernacles, and the Last Great Day.)​

• Forbade members to consult medical doctors when sick.​

• Stressed tithing to a legalistic extreme. (Strictly observant WCG members gave 30 percent: 10 percent for a regular tithe, 10 percent to support the annual Feast of Tabernacles, and 10 percent intended to support widows and orphans within the WCG)​

• Forbade members to remarry after divorce and insisted that they remain celibate if they remarried after divorce.​

• Insisted that the WCG was the only true church.​

• Closed the movement’s doors to visitors and welcomed only converts.​

The Chruch in the bible, which is the Chruch Christ built, where we claim to have associated ourselves with,does not share the same doctrines that is colored in red above.

 

[uss_bigd]

We don't want the heretics to burn! At least people are viewing this thread. Be nice.

Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. Jude 1:22-23

Unfortunately, your doing to me what your ancestors did to galileo.

The trinity isn't biblical. and you are persecuting me for saying that. tsk.... hunting for truth huh?

 

[Draka]

Yes I did.
I also noticed his witch hunt attempt on USS.
But as was already pointed out, He revealed his own hypocrisy with that one.

Guess he never heard about cleaning ones own back yard before whining about the neighbors

deleted due to apology.

Um, Mestemia wasn't talking about you. He was talking about Fish Hunter being a hypocrit in his arguments with you. He made no accusation against you at all. I think you owe him an apology for ragging on him...no offense was directed at you.

 

[uss_bigd]

Um, Mestemia wasn't talking about you. He was talking about Fish Hunter being a hypocrit in his arguments with you. He made no accusation against you at all. I think you owe him an apology for ragging on him...no offense was directed at you.

You're right, i was too quick to jump on the gun i guess.

my apologies Mestemia :sorry1:

 

[McBell]

You're right, i was too quick to jump on the rabbit i guess.

my apologies Mestemia :sorry1:

No worries mate.
We all tend to jump the gun from time to time.

Besides which, I never saw the post you are apologizing for.

 

[uss_bigd]

No worries mate.
We all tend to jump the gun from time to time.

Besides which, I never saw the post you are apologizing for.

I deleted it already ...

 

[Draka]

I deleted it already ...

And I deleted my quote of it too. Now no one will see it. It's just suffice to say at this point that you were mistaken is all.

 

[McBell]

Woo Hoo!!
All is good.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

sigh! I was transparent with you with the thinking that you were hunting for the truth. but apparently you have a different agenda.

I did not ay "WE" claim to be the one true chruch. why? because we didnot establish a new chruch.

Now read this again. what we claim is we "ASSOCIATED" our selves with the chruch in the bible by following the same teachings written there in.

Now, assuming you now understand the difference between:

"Claiming to be and claiming to be associated with," you are either implying there isn't a chruch in the bible or you do not believe in the church in the bible.

which is which?

The true church is not a particular religious organization or denomination. The true church is made up of individuals from various Christian denominations, and individuals who do not even attend an organized church that are born from above and united to Christ by faith. It is invisible because it is only known by God with complete accuracy, because the Spirit of God unites a sinner to Christ apart from exclusive claims made by religious institutions. Hunting for truth can be interpreted in several ways. I really hate when religious organizations claim to be the One True Church.

 

[uss_bigd]

The true church is not a particular religious organization or denomination.

What is your basis? i wouldn't take your opinion, neither your pope's opinion even if you kill me. Even if you do another inquisition, I will not recant my statement.

The true church is made up of individuals from various Christian denominations, and individuals who do not even attend an organized church that are born from above and united to Christ by faith.

Various huh? Mr/Ms Fish-hunter TWO CONTRADICTING CONCEPTS CANNOT BE BOTH TRUE. Various Chrsitian denominations today have contradicting practices, how can anyone sanely explain that they follow the same truth?

Obviously you are employing your own reasoning and expressing your own personal beliefs nothing more. Mr/Ms. Fish-hunter, I am being sincere enough in backing up my my statements with scripture, if you will continue giving me your baseless opinions i will throw you the spaghetti meatballs goddess that my neighbor made up, besides all you want anyway is a baseless debate right? I know would will prove me wrong if i am wrong.

You said the one true chruch is not an organized church, that is your opinion. You cannot biblically prove that to me. I can biblically prove to you that orgazanized religion and a chruch is required for salvation. but should i waste my time on you? you dont believe in the bible right? you believe what ever your pope tells you. If that is the case do not pretend as if what you say is biblical.

It is invisible because it is only known by God with complete accuracy, because the Spirit of God unites a sinner to Christ apart from exclusive claims made by religious institutions. Hunting for truth can be interpreted in several ways. I really hate when religious organizations claim to be the One True Church.

Gee, opinions opinions! people like you are the reason why athiest mock Christianity, as Draka's thread said "is it good to make religion an excuse for ignorance" you are ignorant as far as biblical facts are concerned!

If you want to interpret religion on the basis of opinion your no better than an athiest who throws statements like " its better to believe Harry potter books than the bible" you can do better than that Sir/ma'm.

Finally, I never claimed we are the one true church like we established it ourlseves. I said we claim to have associated ourselves with the church in the bible, which is the the one true church.

There are only three possibilities if you refuse to acknowledge the last paragraph of this post

1. You lack understanding ( Claiming to be vs Claiming to have associated with)
2. You do not beleive in the bible
3. You refuse to admit your own ignorance.

So, which is which?

 

[Fish-Hunter]

What is your basis? i wouldn't take your opinion, neither your pope's opinion even if you kill me. Even if you do another inquisition, I will not recant my statement.




Various huh? Mr/Ms Fish-hunter TWO CONTRADICTING CONCEPTS CANNOT BE BOTH TRUE. Various Chrsitian denominations today have contradicting practices, how can anyone sanely explain that they follow the same truth?

Obviously you are employing your own reasoning and expressing your own personal beliefs nothing more. Mr/Ms. Fish-hunter, I am being sincere enough in backing up my my statements with scripture, if you will continue giving me your baseless opinions i will throw you the spaghetti meatballs goddess that my neighbor made up, besides all you want anyway is a baseless debate right? I know would will prove me wrong if i am wrong.

You said the one true chruch is not an organized church, that is your opinion. You cannot biblically prove that to me. I can biblically prove to you that orgazanized religion and a chruch is required for salvation. but should i waste my time on you? you dont believe in the bible right? you believe what ever your pope tells you. If that is the case do not pretend as if what you say is biblical.





Gee, opinions opinions! people like you are the reason why athiest mock Christianity, as Draka's thread said "is it good to make religion an excuse for ignorance" you are ignorant as far as biblical facts are concerned!

If you want to interpret religion on the basis of opinion your no better than an athiest who throws statements like " its better to believe Harry potter books than the bible" you can do better than that Sir/ma'm.

Finally, I never claimed we are the one true church like we established it ourlseves. I said we claim to have associated ourselves with the church in the bible, which is the the one true church.

There are only three possibilities if you refuse to acknowledge the last paragraph of this post

1. You lack understanding ( Claiming to be vs Claiming to have associated with)
2. You do not beleive in the bible
3. You refuse to admit your own ignorance.

So, which is which?

You completely lost me in your agruments. I'm not Roman Catholic either. Are you trying to say that I must join a particular religious organization to be saved from the wrath of God? Let me take a wild guess, I must join your particular religious institution to be forgiven for my sins...correct? I thought the person and work of Jesus Christ saved sinners through faith, and not by religious affliations. Church membership does not save sinners, nor water baptism done by certain church leaders. Please explain which sinners are united to Christ and are saved?

 

[uss_bigd]

Are you trying to say that I must join a particular religious organization to be saved from the wrath of God?

As a general rule yes, unless ( meaning there is an exception) by any compelling circumstance you are not able to, God Judges those from the outside.

Proof?

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Is this verse referring to religion? it must be:

James 1:27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Proof that God judgest hose from the outside?

1 Cor 5:13

God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

The chruch in the bible does not condem anyone who is not their follower. the non-followers are the main purpose of the church ofthe bible, let's see what were Paul's intructions:

Acts 26:18

To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Let me take a wild guess, I must join your particular religious institution to be forgiven for my sins...correct? I thought the person and work of Jesus Christ saved sinners through faith, and not be religious affliations.

I am sorry, you are misled.:sorry1: Read the links below.

The Church Of The Bible: The Only 100% True Church « Eliseo Soriano

The Church of God Is Needed For Salvation « Eliseo Soriano

The Vitality of Religion to Salvation « Eliseo Soriano

Church membership does not save sinners.

Read the links above.

Please explain which sinners are united to Christ and are saved?

Did you ask the question on the context of ones saved always saved? that will blow up the topic sir.

let us repharase your question like this "Please explain which sinners are still united to Christ"

Those that sin due to weakness. Real Christians do not intentionally and willfully commt sin. they are tempted to and sometimes due to weakness they sin.


2 Cor 12:9

But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.:bow:

 

[Fish-Hunter]

As a general rule yes, unless ( meaning there is an exception) by any compelling circumstance you are not able to, God Judges those from the outside.

Proof?

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Is this verse referring to religion? it must be:

James 1:27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Proof that God judgest hose from the outside?

1 Cor 5:13

God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

The chruch in the bible does not condem anyone who is not their follower. the non-followers are the main purpose of the church ofthe bible, let's see what were Paul's intructions:

Acts 26:18

To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.




I am sorry, you are misled.:sorry1: Read the links below.

The Church Of The Bible: The Only 100% True Church « Eliseo Soriano

The Church of God Is Needed For Salvation « Eliseo Soriano

The Vitality of Religion to Salvation « Eliseo Soriano



Read the links above.



Did you ask the question on the context of ones saved always saved? that will blow up the topic sir.

let us repharase your question like this "Please explain which sinners are still united to Christ"

Those that sin due to weakness. Real Christians do not intentionally and willfully commt sin. they are tempted to and sometimes due to weakness they sin.


2 Cor 12:9

But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.:bow:

My view of the church is below. Click on the blue numbers for scripture links. Catholic means universal and not Roman Catholic.

Chapter XXV

Of the Church

I. The catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of Him that fills all in all.[1]

II. The visible Church, which is also catholic or universal under the Gospel (not confined to one nation, as before under the law), consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion;[2] and of their children:[3] and is the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ,[4] the house and family of God,[5] out of which there is no ordinary possibility of salvation.[6]

III. Unto this catholic visible Church Christ has given the ministry, oracles, and ordinances of God, for the gathering and perfecting of the saints, in this life, to the end of the world: and does, by His own presence and Spirit, according to His promise, make them effectual thereunto.[7]

IV. This catholic Church has been sometimes more, sometimes less visible.[8] And particular Churches, which are members thereof, are more or less pure, according as the doctrine of the Gospel is taught and embraced, ordinances administered, and public worship performed more or less purely in them.[9]

V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error;[10] and some have so degenerated, as to become no Churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan.[11] Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth to worship God according to His will.[12]

VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ.[13] Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.[14]

Westminster Confession of Faith

 

[Fish-Hunter]

As a general rule yes, unless ( meaning there is an exception) by any compelling circumstance you are not able to, God Judges those from the outside.

Proof?

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Is this verse referring to religion? it must be:

James 1:27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Proof that God judgest hose from the outside?

1 Cor 5:13

God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

The chruch in the bible does not condem anyone who is not their follower. the non-followers are the main purpose of the church ofthe bible, let's see what were Paul's intructions:

Acts 26:18

To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.




I am sorry, you are misled.:sorry1: Read the links below.

The Church Of The Bible: The Only 100% True Church « Eliseo Soriano

The Church of God Is Needed For Salvation « Eliseo Soriano

The Vitality of Religion to Salvation « Eliseo Soriano



Read the links above.



Did you ask the question on the context of ones saved always saved? that will blow up the topic sir.

let us repharase your question like this "Please explain which sinners are still united to Christ"

Those that sin due to weakness. Real Christians do not intentionally and willfully commt sin. they are tempted to and sometimes due to weakness they sin.


2 Cor 12:9

But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.:bow:

Light? Members Church of God International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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For other organizations with the same name, see Church of God International

The Members Church of God International (MCGI), is an international Christian denomination with headquarters in the Philippines. The Church of God International is primarily known through its television program, Ang Dating Daan (The Old Path). It is not related to the many Church of God groups that descended from the Barney Creek Meeting House revival of the late 1800s. While calling itself a Christian denomination, it is considered to be a cult [1] by nearly all mainstream Christian denominations due to their belief that salvation is available only through their church alone, that only the leader of their church (Eliseo Soriano) can interpret and understand the Bible, that Jesus Christ, while "a" god is a lesser god than the Father, and that God is not Omniscient or Omnipresent.[2]. The group has thousands of church locales in the Philippines, and around 500 international church locales in North America, Europe, South Africa, Asia, and Australia.

Beliefs and Practices
The Members of the Church of God International believe that all teachings and interpretation of doctrines should be based upon the 66 books of the Bible alone, which can only be done through their leader Eliseo Soriano. They adhere to the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy including scientific and historical accuracy of the Bible. Although they reject the Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang Theory, they hold that the universe and Earth are billions of years old and man is a part of the animal kingdom.

They reject the traditional Christian doctrine of the Trinity, as well as the doctrines of Oneness, Original Sin, eternal security, personal relationship with Christ, tithing, first-day Sabbatarianism, among others.

Indoctrination classes are required prior to joining the organization. The classes are composed of at least 30 lessons concerning church doctrines prepared by Eliseo Soriano. Indoctrinees must wholeheartedly accept the doctrines taught during the indoctrination, before they will be baptized. A member who commits a serious offense such as adultery or rape are expelled and banned from readmission to the organization.

Members are expected to be modest in dress and grooming. Women are prohibited from wearing short hair, jewelry, and pants, while men are prohibited from wearing long hair. They are prohibited from drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, using drugs and gambling. Members are required to attend church service called Pasalamat, or Thanksgiving every first day of the week (Sunday) at church headquarters in Apalit, Pampanga or in selected loacles which have satelitte access to the thanksgiving (but only elders are excused in going to Apalit and will go to the selected locales with satellite access). The service involves singing hymns, hearing sermons, offering prayers, and giving to the church. Kneeling is the posture of prayer observed throughout the service.

 

[uss_bigd]

My view of the church is below. Click on the blue numbers for scripture links. Catholic means universal and not Roman Catholic.

Chapter XXV

Of the Church

I. The catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of Him that fills all in all.[1]

II. The visible Church, which is also catholic or universal under the Gospel (not confined to one nation, as before under the law), consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion;[2] and of their children:[3] and is the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ,[4] the house and family of God,[5] out of which there is no ordinary possibility of salvation.[6]

III. Unto this catholic visible Church Christ has given the ministry, oracles, and ordinances of God, for the gathering and perfecting of the saints, in this life, to the end of the world: and does, by His own presence and Spirit, according to His promise, make them effectual thereunto.[7]

IV. This catholic Church has been sometimes more, sometimes less visible.[8] And particular Churches, which are members thereof, are more or less pure, according as the doctrine of the Gospel is taught and embraced, ordinances administered, and public worship performed more or less purely in them.[9]

V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error;[10] and some have so degenerated, as to become no Churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan.[11] Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth to worship God according to His will.[12]

VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ.[13] Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.[14]

Westminster Confession of Faith

I see, there is not debate then, your idea of the church is based on a different source compared to where i base mine.

Due to my christian duty i must share you this verse.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

That is what the bible says, I don't know what value that has to you.:angel2:

Have a nice day!

 

[Fish-Hunter]

I see, there is not debate then, your idea of the church is based on a different source compared to where i base mine.

Due to my christian duty i must share you this verse.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

That is what the bible says, I don't know what value that has to you.:angel2:

Have a nice day!

Members Church of God International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your church is a cult according to wikipedia.org. Why did you deny that your church proclaims to be The One True Church?

 

[uss_bigd]

Members Church of God International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your church is a cult according to wikipedia.org. Why did you deny that your church proclaims to be The One True Church?

Ofocurse it will be described as such, It is fulfillment of prophecy. proof?

John 15:20
Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also

John 1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

John 8:23
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 15:18
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.


John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Ofocurse it will be described as such, It is fulfillment of prophecy. proof?

John 15:20
Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also

John 1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

John 8:23
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 15:18
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.


John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

This is such a wild and crazy website!!!!!! :drool: