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Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

Brian2

Veteran Member
That is not what those words mean.

Do you know what resurrection is?

Matthew 10: 28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

It looks to me that at the death of our physical body, our soul is not killed, iow it remains alive.
And yes I know what resurrection is.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
We overcome sin by God's help just as Jesus overcame sin by God's help. God does make a way for us to escape temptation, I do not always listen to Him, nor do I always obey Him - I do not always submit to His will. I believe it was just as hard for Jesus to NOT sin as it is for us NOT to sin. The only difference between our humanity and the humanity of Jesus was that he was born without the sin nature we inherited from Adam.

So are you saying that it was easier for Jesus to resist temptations?

Jesus said there is "no one good except God" from which Jesus' good originated.

What is said of Jesus in the New Testament is that He is exactly like His Father in nature. IOW if His Father is good then Jesus also is good.
Jesus is not His Father and was not the Father while on earth but is as good as His Father because Jesus is of God. He is the Son who comes from His Father. His goodness and life come from His Father.
You say that the Word had an origin in time but I believe He has always been with and in His Father.

Yep, we should see God the Father through Jesus. Jesus was not telling Philip he was God nor God the Father.
Jesus radiates the glory of God and was the exact imprint of his nature because 1) he was given the spirit without measure; 2) he lived in humility, submission, total obedience to God his Father. His whole being fully expressed and declared who God the Father was to the extent that those who saw him should have also seen God the Father through Jesus' character. In fact, the Greek word for that phrase is "charakter" which means the exact expression (image) of any person or thing, marked likeness, precise reproduction in every respect, ie. facsimile. (where we get our word "character")

True, Jesus is not His Father. Jesus is exactly like His Father however because He comes from His Father, a begotten Son, not a created son.
The essence of what the Father is, is in His Son.

Yep, Jesus was in the Father and the Father was in him. The Father is in us and Jesus is in us making us one with the Father and the Son.
When people look at us, they should see God in Christ in us, i.e. in our character.

True Christians are being changed to be like Jesus in character.
I believe however that Christians become one with each other because of the Spirit of Christ in us. We are adopted children, jointed together as living stones, the Temple in which God lives. I do not see Christians as one with the Father and the Son however.
We do taste of the divine nature however but never go beyond being creatures.
2Peter 1:4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
Jesus otoh has the Spirit without measure. He is fully divine and just stepped into the creation by becoming human for our sake. The mediator between God and man.

Nope, I believe when Jesus was tempted it was just as hard for him to avoid temptation as it is for us.
What exactly do you consider "the carnal nature"? Was Jesus a man like us?
What exactly do you consider "the nature of God"? Is that your way of saying Jesus was God clothed in the flesh?
IMO, Jesus glorified his Father through submission and obedience which is how he withstood temptation without sinning.

We know that Jesus is exactly like His Father (same nature) and that means that He is good, just as His Father is good.
We know that Jesus was tempted just as all humans are.
You seem to have made up the idea that if Jesus is divine in any way then He cannot have been tempted to sin as other humans are.
This seems to be suggesting that Jesus was not really the divine Son of God who came from His Father, with His Father's nature.
But Jesus is The Son of God according to the New Testament, not just any son of God, like the rest of humanity. He is special.
It does seem that He was able to resist temptation better than other humans even if He was tempted just as others are.
I don't know why you insist on saying that if Jesus is divine then He cannot have been tempted like the rest of us.
IMO Jesus glorified His Father through submission, showing what His Father is like, because Jesus is just like His Father.
IMO our carnal nature is the desires and temptations that come to us because of our physical bodies and feelings.
IMO Jesus divine nature is the essence of God that was in Jesus (His soul) when He became a man, came from heaven and into the body of a human, jointed to that body as a human is joined to their body.
The passage below seems to be telling us that the pre human Jesus, who was in the form of God, decided to become a man, a servant of God.
Phil 2: 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
 
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