Why stay here if heaven is the next step?

[Super Universe]

This is why I dislike the idea of an afterlife. It makes this life something to be endured rather than enjoyed. When you realize there is no afterlife, it makes this life so much more valuable. Knowing that this is all I'm ever going to get makes me feel lucky every day to be alive and makes me wish to live, as the cliche goes, to the fullest.

I'm always amazed at the restrictions you all so willingly place upon yourselves. If you truly remembered who you are you could simply wave your hand and the mountain would get out of your way.

But if the idea of an afterlife keeps you from living a free and enjoyable human life then that is your choice.

For me, visiting a garden works wonders...

 

[wizanda]

I do find you lot so funny quoting books and previous misconceptions, when someone with first hand experiences helps and explains, then you say they are being elitist, when they clearly define that God expects 100% of what you are given; plus also you will expect the same, you will see….not that you need to be above the rest; far from it, it is through humbleness of your own spirit to see your own faults, that allows entry = Oneness…….alternative is EGO = Sheol…………..God knows all the reasons why and so is very lenient, yet also 100% calculated.

So why then would anyone want to take the next step, if even one followed Christ then you would realize, we are here to work.
Also God is here with us, else why “how long before God avenges his elect, though he bares night and day with them” and why this is spoken of the unjust judge….don’t believe me try dying and see…..yet to be honest when I get home their will be a major shape up of the dynamic of this reality….. the books globally say that this is Christ, then just deny every word, as clearly none are listening the first time around anyway.
You quote John which is clearly Pharisee in origin and false, you quote Paul again a subordinate of John. so whom do you follow as it can’t be us, else you would understand, when we say why talents are needed.
There is an article on my site about it, on why and what happens in heaven, yet I think many of you don’t care and think you know how to get in, you are planning on asking us (intercessors do not take punishment, they pass on messages = Read carefully payment is halved, not taken, if you follow Yeshua’s words to the letter), well guess what the more i spend time talking down here, the more it hurts….

You try and say you love Christ, it stabs me in the heart all my life, not as you are proclaiming you do, yet that the inside is full of what I must guess to be my own bones as it is of my family and hurts and feels like it is personal (since 4 years old), you think that this is acceptable…so really I would stop with that is “rubbish” and question what is ….as in Simon is called a stone (peter) as he is the person whom mistaught Israel….

One scripture sums all of this up:

Mat 5:48
(48) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


Yet that could easily continue with the Wise will shine as the ferment, that you will be refined as Gold etc, if you can’t handle the actual reality, there is no free ride and that is the whole point in this, the gate is narrow for a reason and in that, it means working to get in there.
Else where is the proof, where is the time and effort, do you give something away so lightly? Would you want to spend infinity with someone who isn’t prepared for it? Me personally feel that is the problem, not many ever polish the inside of the cup and are so polished outside, they think others don’t see or feel it….yet in heaven these boundaries of illusions of egos are gone, there is no flesh to hide in, there is no matter, it is just transcendental.
Just thought of better way to summarize why the necessity in heaven, God (all reflective) is your reflection, how can you look on God with an ugly reflection, as in all these dead men’s bones and bits that never got dealt with internally will show when you die, and that is why so many people hide in Sheol, as they can’t bare to look at them self’s properly anymore, as they see them self s for what they have truly always been.

Anyways, again writing lots, yet don’t see the point when it falls on death ears allot of the time……when this is the Fig talking really ask when though? as I do each day and know that the miracles and events pertaining to me saying any of this are all full proof, else I wouldn’t be.

 

[Prometheus]

I'm always amazed at the restrictions you all so willingly place upon yourselves. If you truly remembered who you are you could simply wave your hand and the mountain would get out of your way.

I don't see you moving mountains either.

 

[Super Universe]

No mountains have moved yet, maybe the next one.

 

[Prometheus]

No mountains have moved yet, maybe the next one.

Well, good luck to you, but until the day you do move one, don't tell us that we are the "willingly restricted" ones.

 

[logician]

"God creates the universe in every second of every day but there are many things He cannot do. He cannot give complete free will and restrict it at the same time.
"

Really, did he send you this valuable info in an Email?

 

[Super Universe]

Well, good luck to you, but until the day you do move one, don't tell us that we are the "willingly restricted" ones.

You're willingly restricted.

"God creates the universe in every second of every day but there are many things He cannot do. He cannot give complete free will and restrict it at the same time.
"

Really, did he send you this valuable info in an Email?

Something like that. Now shoo away fly...

 

[leafer]

Thanks for all the profound responses. I did mention I was born Roman Catholic but I don't claim to be any expert on the subject. Still an intern

I don't understand what I am doing here and don't feel the same purpose many of you feel. I have no problem doing my due diligence but I am still waiting for that response that sign that will tell me where to go and what I should be doing.

I am the type of person who looks for signs all around me to tell me what to do. I have a feeling that is the way (angels, god, whoever) tries to communicate with us. Just lately there hasn't been any signs, no feelings, no nothing. Everything just seems to have stopped.

I always get a certain "feeling" inside when I'm about to make a decision and usually let my intuition lead the way. For about the first 20 years of my life that has seemed to work pretty well. The next 9 it's been up and down and all over the place. I tried to get back to trying everything until something begins to work but all that has happened is a ton of started projects/careers that have ended shortly thereafter.

I've tried to look in many places for the answer but always seem to come up flat. I try to look at ancient history (egypt) because I think they were on to something but I have having trouble seeing the big picture as many others have.

 

[leafer]

If you knew how many previous life, I have been through, then it might be more clear, you can be many things to understand what is required to continue through the Dimensions = Diadems at end of Bible or the Commandments + 2 Yeshua added are heaven.

See here how you talk about knowing your previous lives, how do I find out my previous lives IF ANY. I think that will be my key to finding out who I truly am and what I need to do here to move on.

My believes are there is an afterlife and each time we come back there is something for us to do to move on to the next level. Maybe we have 12 tasks to accomplish and are given endless amounts of time to keep moving up to the next zodiac sign.

I am a virgo which is the 6th sign in the zodiac wheel meaning to me I am in the 6th step of 12 to get to the heavens. If I do the specific task I am meant to do in my level then I should be coming back as a libra to go on and do the next step.

I have tried to look in all religions because I think we all have the answer IF we put all of our faiths together and truly figure out what the big picture is. Of course that is easier said then done BUT I am willing to try to figure out what I'm doing here.

Should I go to a past regression psychologist to try and figure out what my past lives were or is there a way I can do something myself to get those answers??

 

[Booko]

Lets say I don't accomplish as much as others do then will God not understand that at least I tried?

Leafer, why would anyone assume the "scorekeeping" is that simplistic?

A few things to consider:

1. We all start out in different places. Some have every advantage of being raised well in a loving home. Some are raised in an environment that will twist anyone, and then there's everything in between.

2. We all have different capacities.

So when it comes to some sort of...er...spiritual scorekeeping, how does it even make sense to compare one person's "accomplishments" to anothers?

(I think that's why God gets the job and none of us. )

If I don't go to heaven then where will I end up? Hell?

This is the part I am having the most trouble with because the bible explains heaven or hell and as far I as I know there is no in between. If I'm not good enough to go to heaven BUT I have tried to follow the 10 commandments is that not enough?

Since this is in General Religious Debates, I'll just mention that not everyone's religion has quite the vision of heaven and hell that this question asks about. For that matter, within Christianity this notion of heaven and hell is not as clearcut as you might think.

Everyone at one point in our lives have broken the some commandments BUT I am not someone who purposely goes out and tries to do it. When I look at my life, day in and day out, I play by the God's rules and I think I am doing pretty good in my efforts.

On the subject of purposely going out and breaking some commandments, I'd just mention that there's a reason why there's such a thing as repentence. We're not perfect -- it's just the goal we are to strive for.

Probably some of our fellow RFers have already addressed these points, but hopefully this contains something at least minimally useful.

 

[leafer]

Leafer, why would anyone assume the "scorekeeping" is that simplistic?

A few things to consider:

1. We all start out in different places. Some have every advantage of being raised well in a loving home. Some are raised in an environment that will twist anyone, and then there's everything in between.

2. We all have different capacities.

So when it comes to some sort of...er...spiritual scorekeeping, how does it even make sense to compare one person's "accomplishments" to anothers?

(I think that's why God gets the job and none of us. )



Since this is in General Religious Debates, I'll just mention that not everyone's religion has quite the vision of heaven and hell that this question asks about. For that matter, within Christianity this notion of heaven and hell is not as clearcut as you might think.



On the subject of purposely going out and breaking some commandments, I'd just mention that there's a reason why there's such a thing as repentence. We're not perfect -- it's just the goal we are to strive for.

Probably some of our fellow RFers have already addressed these points, but hopefully this contains something at least minimally useful.

It does believe me. The reason I didn't just want to limit these questions to just Christians is because there are so many religions out there and who is to say that Roman Catholic is right? I am just trying to get as much info on all of them and then see if I can come up with something. Basically I'm trying to find all of the similarities throughout all of the religions because IMO its those similarities that are my answers.

 

[may]

No mountains have moved yet, maybe the next one.

talking about moving mountains ,the bible talks about a mountain that will take over all the earth.
In Biblical symbolism mountains can represent kingdoms or ruling governments. (Da 2:35, 44, 45; compare Isa 41:15; Re 17:9-11, 18.)
The prophecy of Daniel indicated that God’s Kingdom, after crushing all other kingdoms, would become a large mountain and fill the whole earth. (Da 2:34, 35, 44, 45) This meant that it would extend its blessed rule over the entire earth.

 

[leafer]

talking about moving mountains ,the bible talks about a mountain that will take over all the earth.
In Biblical symbolism mountains can represent kingdoms or ruling governments. (Da 2:35, 44, 45; compare Isa 41:15; Re 17:9-11, 18.)
The prophecy of Daniel indicated that God’s Kingdom, after crushing all other kingdoms, would become a large mountain and fill the whole earth. (Da 2:34, 35, 44, 45) This meant that it would extend its blessed rule over the entire earth.

Can this be a reference to a one world government?

I sure hope not. I've already heard talks of making a one world religion as well

 

[Runlikethewind]

Thanks for all the profound responses. I did mention I was born Roman Catholic but I don't claim to be any expert on the subject. Still an intern

I don't understand what I am doing here and don't feel the same purpose many of you feel. I have no problem doing my due diligence but I am still waiting for that response that sign that will tell me where to go and what I should be doing.

I am the type of person who looks for signs all around me to tell me what to do. I have a feeling that is the way (angels, god, whoever) tries to communicate with us. Just lately there hasn't been any signs, no feelings, no nothing. Everything just seems to have stopped.

I always get a certain "feeling" inside when I'm about to make a decision and usually let my intuition lead the way. For about the first 20 years of my life that has seemed to work pretty well. The next 9 it's been up and down and all over the place. I tried to get back to trying everything until something begins to work but all that has happened is a ton of started projects/careers that have ended shortly thereafter.

I've tried to look in many places for the answer but always seem to come up flat. I try to look at ancient history (egypt) because I think they were on to something but I have having trouble seeing the big picture as many others have.

I get the feeling from here that you have in the past been able to discern certain signs in your life to help in making decisions and such. I feel that this is good and that God doesn't normally speak in a 'burning bush' as it where, but more often speaks through other people or circumstances and such. Which sounds like what your getting at. As for your having a difficulty time in seeing them there could be a few different reasons. First your eyes may be closed to a certain extent. I mean no offense by this but if you have seen signs and do not see them now maybe there is a part of you that doesn't want to see them? Then again there is the possibility that God isn't leaving signs for you, allot of the greatest Catholic saints went through similar experiences sometimes referred to as spiritual droughts in which they felt that God was no longer present to them. So the fact that you don't see signs anymore is normal, maybe you just need to wait it out, pray, and remain faithful to God. If it listening for God's signs has worked in the past it will certainly work again after the spiritual drought is lifted by spiritual rain.

 

[may]

Can this be a reference to a one world government?

I sure hope not. I've already heard talks of making a one world religion as well

this is the goverment i am talking about , Daniel 2;44 it will not be a manmade goverment like we have now , but it will have Jesus as the king of it and the bible tells us that Jesus will rule in a just and righteous way, and there can be no one better than the son of God to do the Job in the right way . it will be just as ISAIAH 9;6-7 says
For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this. yes manmade goverments will soon come to their end just as Daniel 2;44 says
And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44 now that is GOODNEWS .
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14 the end of human rulership , now that is more like it just what we need . this heavenly kingdom goverment was established in the heavens in 1914 inline with bible prophecy and chronology . and Jesus will soon go into action , i have put my vote in for Gods heavenly kingdom goverment. it is the only way to peace . there is no salvation in any one else but Jesus christ .

Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,​

Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. psalm 146;3

 

[leafer]

First your eyes may be closed to a certain extent. I mean no offense by this but if you have seen signs and do not see them now maybe there is a part of you that doesn't want to see them?

Hey no offense taken. Whatever gets me to the bottom of my answer I'm open for suggestion. Interesting notion with the spiritual droughts.

As far as the signs go, sometimes it made me laugh where I was thinking about a decision for instance and a television show or commercial would come on the television and discuss or mention something similar to that topic.

I don't believe in coincidences by the way and I've always felt there is more to it then all coincidences are just that. I'll keep searching thx.

Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,​

Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. psalm 146;3

If I remember correctly there is a passage in revelations who discusses the anti christ and how he will be seen by man as the savior and become the ruler of the world making him above all of us and the ruler of the world. They mention this as a sign to us as how we can identify who the true anti-christ is.

Here it is, I found this from a website but I'm almost positive the passage is accurate:

Before being diverted by wild speculations about the book of Revelation's (chapter 13) first "beast" (also commonly referred to as "Antichrist"), it is vital to understand that the generation we live in is more rational, skeptical, and well-informed than ever before. It is highly unlikely that a charismatic spiritual-political leader will suddenly "pop-up" out of nowhere and quickly convince the world to follow him by the appeal of charisma and even signs and wonders.
The first "beast" of Revelation 13 must be equally influential both spiritually and politically, for we know from Revelation 17:12-18 that ten nations will come under the geopolitical influence of this "beast" in order to attack the "harlot" . This Antichrist is likely a man who has achieved greatness during a lengthy spiritual-political career, being gradually vindicated by a succession of past, present and future supernatural prophetic signs, which will peak at the opportune time (see Revelation 13:13-15).

Very interesting stuff

 

[wizanda]

Make that 13 steps or Diadems/Dimensions as each is like a cloak, to be unwrapped once the next is understood.....yet these are merely commandments + 2, looked at in perspective of the after life and then all put together as one.
Also 13 months if we followed God’s time and not ro-mans, 365 divided by 28 = 13
As for past live remembrance does it Matter when did it start and when did it end is the point we look for in all of this and then we see, it never did and wisdom of Oneness is what counts….EGO is the opposite.
So ask where you can serve Oneness your best and achieve it.

 

[PureX]

"Why stay here if heaven is the next step?"

That's a big "if". Besides, I like it here. I like it a lot. I feel very fortunate to be who I am and where and when I am. I consider being here a great gift, which I intend to enjoy for as long as it's available.

 

[Runlikethewind]

As far as the signs go, sometimes it made me laugh where I was thinking about a decision for instance and a television show or commercial would come on the television and discuss or mention something similar to that topic.

I don't believe in coincidences by the way and I've always felt there is more to it then all coincidences are just that. I'll keep searching thx.

I agree totally, I've had similar experiences watching TV and such too, or someone will come along and say just the right thing. Coincidence, I don't think so.

 

[leafer]

Make that 13 steps or Diadems/Dimensions as each is like a cloak, to be unwrapped once the next is understood.....yet these are merely commandments + 2, looked at in perspective of the after life and then all put together as one.
Also 13 months if we followed God’s time and not ro-mans, 365 divided by 28 = 13
As for past live remembrance does it Matter when did it start and when did it end is the point we look for in all of this and then we see, it never did and wisdom of Oneness is what counts….EGO is the opposite.
So ask where you can serve Oneness your best and achieve it.

Not that past lives matter I am just really interested in knowing. I am very curious when it comes to life. I want to know as much as possible and never stop learning.

I agree totally, I've had similar experiences watching TV and such too, or someone will come along and say just the right thing. Coincidence, I don't think so.

Its crazy isn't it. When it happened once or twice I would think big deal but sometimes when it happens time after time after, etc then it's a real eye opener.

"Why stay here if heaven is the next step?"

That's a big "if". Besides, I like it here. I like it a lot. I feel very fortunate to be who I am and where and when I am. I consider being here a great gift, which I intend to enjoy for as long as it's available.

I'm glad you feel that way and you are satisfied with your life. I'm just in search mode and haven't found my comfort zone yet.