Why stay here if heaven is the next step?

[wizanda]

Cool, a way i have noticed is when you recall something, you shouldn't really know the feelings of i.e. how it feels to grow as an Oak tree, what its like to swoop over a cliff face, as the wind catches your wing from under neither.
Once went to reply to a dolphin on telly, as not really concentrating and relaxed; then realized that in this life didn't actually have the vocal box, to produce a roll as a dolphin would….then thought to my self where did that come from or how on earth did I even know where or how to do that….then was left with a bigger puzzle then before and so just have to accept that maybe, in one of these existences, that was me, as it was my name I was trying to reply (in correct dolphin grammar also)….yet the how or why still gets me if I tried to analyze it to much.

Energy can never stop being, it can be transduced, yet energy is always energy and as spirit is the root of any energy, it is amazing the deeper you look into the Oneness with in us.
Though on that, must also say don’t let EGO get in the way or middle of that thought, else it can be a private motive of saying it to your self in the first place.
As though trying to relate those, no one will understand the exact feelings and energies that made me feel, it is real to me. so with the therapy idea find that scary part of your idea on recovering those past memories.

“knowledge is found at the end of your nose, wisdom is found in the bottom of your toes”

 

[leafer]

Cool, a way i have noticed is when you recall something, you shouldn't really know the feelings of i.e. how it feels to grow as an Oak tree, what its like to swoop over a cliff face, as the wind catches your wing from under neither.
Once went to reply to a dolphin on telly, as not really concentrating and relaxed; then realized that in this life didn't actually have the vocal box, to produce a roll as a dolphin would….then thought to my self where did that come from or how on earth did I even know where or how to do that….then was left with a bigger puzzle then before and so just have to accept that maybe, in one of these existences, that was me, as it was my name I was trying to reply (in correct dolphin grammar also)….yet the how or why still gets me if I tried to analyze it to much.

Energy can never stop being, it can be transduced, yet energy is always energy and as spirit is the root of any energy, it is amazing the deeper you look into the Oneness with in us.
Though on that, must also say don’t let EGO get in the way or middle of that thought, else it can be a private motive of saying it to your self in the first place.
As though trying to relate those, no one will understand the exact feelings and energies that made me feel, it is real to me. so with the therapy idea find that scary part of your idea on recovering those past memories.

“knowledge is found at the end of your nose, wisdom is found in the bottom of your toes”

Have you ever tried any OBE meditation exercises or anything like that?

I am about to try and train myself to learn how to meditate and try and see what I can get from that.

 

[wizanda]

It was sort of the point on being relaxed Za-Zen is Constant mediation....as in if you learn meditation and do this for a short time each day, when you come to a chaotic moment, most lose their head....so learn to balance in all, is where enlightenment truly comes from and why Buddha went into the peoples or Yeshua, etc….

sort of like sailing practise in a small dingy before the storm....if you had practise before to stand also when flat and calm, you can even surf standing in a dingy in the storm, as the process is the same, just a bit more force.

 

[may]

If I remember correctly there is a passage in revelations who discusses the anti christ and how he will be seen by man as the savior and become the ruler of the world making him above all of us and the ruler of the world. They mention this as a sign to us as how we can identify who the true anti-christ is.

Here it is, I found this from a website but I'm almost positive the passage is accurate:

Very interesting stuff

Yes the book of revelation is a most thrilling book especially in the times we are living in , the anti-christ is not just one man .

Antichrist​

Definition: Antichrist means against or instead of Christ. The term applies to all who deny what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, all who oppose his Kingdom, and all who mistreat his followers. It also includes individuals, organizations, and nations that falsely claim to represent Christ or that improperly ascribe to themselves the role of Messiah.

 

[Muffled]

The purpose for your life is to please God. Life is a privilege given to you by God and you should treat it as such.

Now if the evils of this world bother you, after you die, ask Jesus to take you to Heaven. This He will do but do not think that you will have free will there. Because there is only good in Heaven evil thinking is not permitted.

I came down from Heaven into this sinful world in order to help those who are struggling. Like Jesus I am willing to bear the evils of this world in order to provide this help. My wife came down from Heaven with me but she does not like a world filled with evil and would have stayed in Heaven but for her love for me.

This is not Hell. Evil is permitted so that those who need redemption may find it. God is not just the God of second chances, He is also the God of seventy times seven chances. If you like corporeal life, be of good cheer. At the end-of-time it will be Heaven on earth as a reward for those who love good. For those who love evil, there will be no place for a long long time.

 

[Prometheus]

Each day I just feel like I should just go through the motions until I reach the ultimate promise land because only there I will be truly happy and be among all the people I love. Am I wrong?

Belief in an afterlife form of Disneyland takes the beauty out of this life.

leafer, this is the only life you're ever going to get. Live it well and cherish it every day. Every second is precious.

 

[FFH]

Belief in an afterlife form of Disneyland takes the beauty out of this life.

No, it takes the sting out of it.

Tthis is the only life you're ever going to get.

No, life is eternal, it never ends. You can never not exist... You will always exist...

Live it well and cherish it every day. Every second is precious.

It certainly would be if one believed as you do.

This life is a test and "a time to prepare to meet God".

 

[FFH]

Each day I just feel like I should just go through the motions until I reach the ultimate promise land because only there I will be truly happy and be among all the people I love. Am I wrong?

I don't feel that's wrong at all. We do the best we can in this life and our hope is in an eternal life with God.

This life is nothing compared to eternity, just a testing ground to see if we are faithful to God and his commandments.

How we believe and conduct our lives will determine how we spend eternity.

 

[FFH]

Each day I just feel like I should just go through the motions until I reach the ultimate promise land because only there I will be truly happy and be among all the people I love. Am I wrong?

I don't feel that's wrong at all. We do the best we can in this life and our hope is in an eternal life with God.

This life is nothing compared to eternity, just a testing ground to see if we are faithful to God and his commandments.

How we believe and conduct our lives will determine how we spend eternity.

 

[lillitruthseeker]

i asked this same question in another post but this seems to be a more suitable place for it ---

if you can go to heaven by accepting jesus as your saviour and repenting, then horrible awful child molestors, rapists and murderers have the same chance as me --

so in heaven will it be possible to face your abuser? will i have to exist for eternity with the same souls that caused others and myself so much pain?

heaven doesnt sound like such a happy place to me

 

[may]

i asked this same question in another post but this seems to be a more suitable place for it ---

if you can go to heaven by accepting jesus as your saviour and repenting, then horrible awful child molestors, rapists and murderers have the same chance as me --

so in heaven will it be possible to face your abuser? will i have to exist for eternity with the same souls that caused others and myself so much pain?

heaven doesnt sound like such a happy place to me

well for me it is the earth that will be a paradise ,and only the righteous will inherit it

The righteous themselves will possess the earth,​

And they will reside forever upon it.psalm 37;29
(Psalm 37:9) For evildoers themselves will be cut off, But those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth.

(Proverbs 2:21) For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it.
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(Matthew 5:5) "Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.

 

[Random]

If there is a place of Eternal Happiness and fulfilment, it is beyond beliefs, works, talents and wordly successes.

The point, I believe, of the "next Life" is always to come to an understanding of the impermanence and transitory nature of this life, here and now. The irony of accepting this is not a projection of desires into some anticipated realm hereafter, but an enlightened awareness that the meaning of "Eternal" to a being such as oneself with an immortal soul (energy cannot be destroyed) is ONE LIFE, in whatever realm one might come to rest in.

An eternity to a mortal being is their whole Life, the one now-lived, always.

Enjoy your eternity, right now. Abide in GOD, and the Heaven hereafter will come.

 

[logician]

Don't spend time worrying about the hereafter, because you won't be here after.

 

[Muffled]

i asked this same question in another post but this seems to be a more suitable place for it ---

if you can go to heaven by accepting jesus as your saviour and repenting, then horrible awful child molestors, rapists and murderers have the same chance as me --

so in heaven will it be possible to face your abuser? will i have to exist for eternity with the same souls that caused others and myself so much pain?

heaven doesnt sound like such a happy place to me

Because in Heaven there is no evil, there is no thought of evil and also no memory of evil. If an abuser entered heaven, he could only be good and the abused person would not remember otherwise.

 

[yuvgotmel]

I do all the little things, be nice to people, etc but I'm still stumped as why I'm not just someone here like the rest of us taking up space on earth till I die.

I've been convinced for quite sometime that where we are now is hell and that is something that hasn't been told to us for some reason. Supposedly if there is a life after this then they shouldn't:

1) suffer through death
2) see world chaos
3) see innocent people suffer daily
4) live among murders, molesters, and overall pure evil

The list could go on but you get my point

Each day I just feel like I should just go through the motions until I reach the ultimate promise land because only there I will be truly happy and be among all the people I love. Am I wrong?

Hello Leafer:

Excellent question! I believe you are right, too, about the possibility of an intentional plan to keep people in the dark.

As a Kabbalist, my belief system is not a religion; rather it is a process of continual enlightenment and expanding consciousness. And the process takes a lot of time and devotion.

I believe some teachings, such as instantaneous "salvation," is, quite frankly, evil. Other such teachings--detrimental to the process of soul growth--are the ones which claim that simple "clean living" is the way to heaven. ...In my opinion, nothing could be further from the truth.

The process of enlightenment (and the route to "heaven" by whatever term) is not accomplished through devotion to the exterior world of the Maya (meaning "illusion"). In fact, such teachings--which alter the conscious-focus from the inner emanation of creation towards an appearance of outward separation--is damaging to soul growth.

What I'm saying does not negate humility and living peacefully with humanity. In fact, the system (that I practice) causes the practitioner to emulate "god" and the creation process, whereby "heaven" is achieved through a long-term (not instantaneous) spiritual transformation.

To my knowledge, I know of no other ancient belief that taught instant conversion and easy "salvation" before Christianity. As a student of Gnosticism as well, the Gnostics believe that the Archons (i.e. "powers and principalities") intentionally distorted the truth to real spiritual enlightenment and subsequently sought to impose spiritual slavery on humanity through religion.

As a matter of personal opinion, I view much of Christianity--from whatever branch or sect--like the McDonald's version of spirituality. It's fast food. It fills the stomach. But it is has no nutritional value; and it won't get you anywhere fast. It makes the followers fat and lazy, distracted from a real devotion to spiritual enlightenment, thereby keeping the masses both smiling and working.

Those damaging teachings are means, by which, I believe, the "demiurge" (of the Gnostic teachings) keeps itself from destruction. That "demiurge" is like the reflection of ego--being a mere illusion--but given so much power (through redirection of conscious-focus) that it has taken on a life of its' own, in ways, and will do anything to maintain survival of itself.



...I tried to write this post to be as brief and comprehensive as possible. I hope it made sense.

 

[McBell]

Because in Heaven there is no evil, there is no thought of evil and also no memory of evil. If an abuser entered heaven, he could only be good and the abused person would not remember otherwise.

Then I refuse to go.
My memories and experiences are what make me me.
If going to heaven means giving up what makes me me, then i would much rather not go.

 

[Muffled]

Then I refuse to go.
My memories and experiences are what make me me.
If going to heaven means giving up what makes me me, then i would much rather not go.

I hope that doesn't mean that you don't have any good memories. Granted you may not have laid up a great treasure for Heaven but it is hard to imagine that there hasn''t been something good along the way.

 

[McBell]

I hope that doesn't mean that you don't have any good memories. Granted you may not have laid up a great treasure for Heaven but it is hard to imagine that there hasn''t been something good along the way.

I can honestly say that I have more good memories than bad.
But I suspect that it is the bad memories that have the larger impact on making us who we are.

The fact is that if it were not for my memories, ALL OF THEM: good, evil, bad, happy, sad, etc. I would not be me.
Each and every memory contributes to what makes me me and the heaven you have thus far described would only take PART OF ME.
Therefore I would rather not go if your theory is correct.

 

[wizanda]

Coming from there, it is more like a cyber surfers café….. try watching the NDExperiences a few are on my own site, that match my own NDE……..
So know that all knowledge is accessible, like being a processor in a super computer (more or less), where you can access any file, from anywhere (God permitting it), with no time delay....

Heaven is great and only cool people get in, so no worries on what men say of it…….
It is also made of wisdom and unconditional love, so it is well beyond basic quantum’s and atoms like we have here, that means no waiting for things to be made; instead dynamically create from a word is all that is needed….

That makes me feel home sick……….:angel2:

Yet still heaven is for workers of the harvest and so no short cuts to get in, only those who are pure of heart can ever remain, which means understanding and living Oneness 99%……

 

[Muffled]

I can honestly say that I have more good memories than bad.
But I suspect that it is the bad memories that have the larger impact on making us who we are.

The fact is that if it were not for my memories, ALL OF THEM: good, evil, bad, happy, sad, etc. I would not be me.
Each and every memory contributes to what makes me me and the heaven you have thus far described would only take PART OF ME.
Therefore I would rather not go if your theory is correct.

The truth is that you couldn't handle all your memories from past lives which is why God blocks them for you. I don't know why you identify so much with your experiences because experiences are temporal. Not even your choice for good or evil would be a permanent part of your nature. You will always have the option to choose good over evil. Be sure however that your reluctance to enter Heaven is caused by your love of evil.