Why suicide is always okay all of the time

[jeager106]

It's not the rest of the worlds responsibility to solve your problems. Nor is it your responsibility to help the rest of the world. You should live for yourself and not care about society.

Statement is short sighted and down right immoral, not to mention cruel, cold, unfeeling.
As a SOCIETY (look up the definition if that helps you) we are ALL responsible for
one another.
If "we" as a society can be helpful to our brothers and sisters then we SHOULD BE.
What makes up a society? INDIVIDUALS.
I've seen a lot of suicide, unlike many here I suspect.
I've seen the aftermath of successful suicides and the most curious of all the aftermath
of UNsuccessful suicides. Those that only seriously wounded, poisoned, gassed
themselves ALWAYS BEGGED for help; begging people to not let them die.
Curious what?
Suicide= a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
^^^^Don't ever forget that.^^^^^^

 

[Aquitaine]

Since no-one concented to being here, I think ending one's life is an ethical right.
I actually think we should take it further and legalize voluntary euthanasia.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Since no-one concented to being here, I think ending one's life is an ethical right.
I actually think we should take it further and legalize voluntary euthanasia.

I want to mention that sometimes 'Voluntary euthanasia' is seen as a slippery slope towards government approved euthanasia. It is very convenient sometimes for governments to euthanize people whom it deems unnecessary, weak or troublesome. Think of the financial wonders that it could do for USA's failing social security system. Think about what it could do to alleviate unemployment!

 

[ScottySatan]

Current, human, world population: 7.37 billion.

Reason enough.

Medicine is the hottest topic in biology right now. People are funded by the National Institutes of Health to save lives. At the same time, all biologists are trained that there are max population sizes and that going over that by enough is catastrophic to everyone. The truth? biologists don't really give much of a damn about saving lives, medical research is basic research in disguise.

We probably need more research on cheap and painless suicide.

 

[Aquitaine]

I want to mention that sometimes 'Voluntary euthanasia' is seen as a slippery slope towards government approved euthanasia. It is very convenient sometimes for governments to euthanize people whom it deems unnecessary, weak or troublesome. Think of the financial wonders that it could do for USA's failing social security system. Think about what it could do to alleviate unemployment!

I'm sure there are safeguards that could be put in place to prevent abuse. In the mean time, we'll just have to accept more gruesome suicide scenes, more failed attempts, and more "unwilling participants" in life trapped but feeling powerless to escape.

 

[Aquitaine]

We probably need more research on cheap and painless suicide.

Nitrogen Asphyxiation.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I deleted my post and now I regret deleting it. Anyway, I said something to the effect of:

Suicide is understandable given all the suffering in this world. Pain is pain, no matter if it's physical or psychological. In modern society, people really don't care much about others and just don't have the time of day. There are so many people who are isolated and forgotten by the rest of the world. It could be better to be dead than to feel this crushing isolation, lonliness and sense that no one cares, no one has time for you, you are a burden and ultimately worthless. Then you have to live with people having their happy, oblivious little lives while ignoring the suffering of others. It hurts to see this.

So I do think a person has a right to kill themselves. It is your life and you decide what to do with it. However, I do think you should do your best to minimize the impact of your suicide on others, because it's not a virtuous thing to be so selfish as to ignore the impact of your death on those who may care about you. It's like with me; my mom is very sick with cancer. I don't know how long she has left, but she's doing pretty badly. We both love each other very much. Her illness has been devastating for me. I can't cope with it. I don't think I could go on without her, since she's really been the only constant in my entire life. I am also not able to care for myself, due to my serious psychiatric issues. I'm often suicidal as it is. I have no one else but my mom, where I live. So when/if she passes, I will have no one. I will have no friends or family. No one would even notice, for many days, that I was even dead. My neighbors would probably only wonder because of the smell. So I would die alone. Fine.

However, I would only do this after my mom dies. I don't want to hurt her. Even talking about killing myself hurts her a lot. So I wouldn't do it now. I'm not that cold and selfish. I would also try to make sure my pets have a good place to go before doing it, as well. I don't care about my belongings, really. It just doesn't matter. (My sister may want the family china, though.)

 

[Brickjectivity]

Suicidal feelings are an unfortunate side result of our evolutionary path. We feel pressure to die sometimes when it makes no sense. There is no reason to kill ourselves, however we are compelled to imagine there are reasons. Its like a hallucinatory experience, seeing ourselves from a distance in a particularly cold and uncaring way, as if we are not us. I would say its 'Out of body'. The love for ourselves is still there, but it feels far away.

 

[Politesse]

If I am morally required not to kill myself for the sake of people loving me, then does that mean if the majority of people hate me I'm morally obligated to kill myself?

Well, I don't think so. Why? Because morality only exists when one thing is done to another. Self-harm, suicide, and low self-esteem are all universally right, simply because they don't directly affect others. This is because morality is subjective.
Now, if I feel suicide is okay, and you feel it isn't... Who should have more authority on the issue? The person feeling that way or some onlooker? How can you apply your believe that suicide is wrong on other people.

And if you wanna say, "It'll affect your loved ones"... who decides how much a persons life is worth? I believe that an individual and that individual alone decide how much they matter. Your loved ones don't matter. Your life belongs 100% to you.

Would you consider murder to be a victimless crime also? The person who dies can't be upset about it - they're dead. And by your logic, it doesn't "directly affect" their friends and family. Should it be okay as long as it works?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Would you consider murder to be a victimless crime also? The person who dies can't be upset about it - they're dead. And by your logic, it doesn't "directly affect" their friends and family. Should it be okay as long as it works?

Interesting point!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There is no reason to kill ourselves

From your perspective, that is.

Its like a hallucinatory experience, seeing ourselves from a distance in a particularly cold and uncaring way, as if we are not us. I would say its 'Out of body'. The love for ourselves is still there, but it feels far away.

That's not how I experience being suicidal. For one, I don't ever feel love for myself.

 

[Wirey]

If I am morally required not to kill myself for the sake of people loving me, then does that mean if the majority of people hate me I'm morally obligated to kill myself?

Well, I don't think so. Why? Because morality only exists when one thing is done to another. Self-harm, suicide, and low self-esteem are all universally right, simply because they don't directly affect others. This is because morality is subjective.
Now, if I feel suicide is okay, and you feel it isn't... Who should have more authority on the issue? The person feeling that way or some onlooker? How can you apply your believe that suicide is wrong on other people.

And if you wanna say, "It'll affect your loved ones"... who decides how much a persons life is worth? I believe that an individual and that individual alone decide how much they matter. Your loved ones don't matter. Your life belongs 100% to you.

Suicide deprives the society that sheltered you long enough for you to become an adult of the contributions you owe it. It's theft against all, plain and simple, and the selfish act of a spoiled child.

 

[McBell]

Suicide deprives the society that sheltered you long enough for you to become an adult of the contributions you owe it. It's theft against all, plain and simple, and the selfish act of a spoiled child.

Spoken like someone who knows little to nothing about the reasons people commit suicide...

 

[Wirey]

Spoken like someone who knows little to nothing about the reasons people commit suicide...

I was speaking morally, not psyco.... phyca.... crazy.

 

[McBell]

I was speaking morally, not psyco.... phyca.... crazy.

Still Spoken like someone who knows little to nothing about the reasons people commit suicide...

 

[Brickjectivity]

From your perspective, that is.

Yes. From experience I think that sometimes there is no reason when there seems to be a reason.

That's not how I experience being suicidal. For one, I don't ever feel love for myself.

Ok

 

[Brickjectivity]

Suicide deprives the society that sheltered you long enough for you to become an adult of the contributions you owe it. It's theft against all, plain and simple, and the selfish act of a spoiled child.

Suicide evolved to be part of humanity. Probably it works in tandem with sexual selection to weed out the weak, the unwanted, the unsocial, the unlucky and pretty much anybody who is starving, sick or has any really difficult problems. If you aren't happy the DNA tries to get rid of you.