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Why Sunday as Sabbath?
- Thread starter d.n.irvin
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angellous_evangellous
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SoyLeche said:
It also needs more explicatives:
ROLLMMFAO!
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angellous_evangellous
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SoyLeche said:
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reach: But they're worshipping on Tuesday!
Do they even know it's Tuesday?! Have they read the Bible?
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angellous_evangellous
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angellous_evangellous
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SoyLeche said:
Appropriate for a squirrel to worhsip on hump day. Perhaps he's in a fertility cult.: hamster :
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I am not sure where the Sunday tradition came from, but it did not come from the Bible. It may have been adopted by the early Catholic Church to make it easier for some people who practiced pagan sun worship, who observed Sunday, to convert to the Catholic religion, but I haven't researched the history of this.
Sunday observance is often explained by the idea that Jesus was resurrected on Sunday, but according to the Bible, Jesus was to be in the grave for three days and three nights, just as Jonah was in the fish for three days and three nights. In one place, Jesus said this would be the sign that He was the Messiah. Therefore the Catholic tradition that Jesus was buried late Friday and resurrected early Sunday cannot be true.
The Bible says that Jesus was buried just before the Sabbath began, and people often assume this refers to the weekly Sabbath. But there are annual Sabbath days also, and the day after Passover is an annual Sabbath, the first day of unleavened bread. This annual Sabbath can fall on any day of the week, not just Friday.
Jesus was buried just before sunset. Three days and three nights later would also be just before sunset. So the resurrection must have occurred just before sunset. Since Jesus was already resurrected when the women came to the grave Sunday morning, Jesus must have been resurrected Saturday afternoon just before sunset, the weekly Sabbath, at the latest. Jesus therefore could not have been resurrected on Sunday.
The weekly Sabbath command by God for Christians is the seventh day of the week, not Sunday. This command, as are all of the ten commandments, is still in force for Christians. Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man (all mankind, not just the Jews). James wrote that if we break one point of the law we break the whole law, using two of the ten commandments as examples, showing that the ten commandments are still in force for Christians.
Sunday observance is often explained by the idea that Jesus was resurrected on Sunday, but according to the Bible, Jesus was to be in the grave for three days and three nights, just as Jonah was in the fish for three days and three nights. In one place, Jesus said this would be the sign that He was the Messiah. Therefore the Catholic tradition that Jesus was buried late Friday and resurrected early Sunday cannot be true.
The Bible says that Jesus was buried just before the Sabbath began, and people often assume this refers to the weekly Sabbath. But there are annual Sabbath days also, and the day after Passover is an annual Sabbath, the first day of unleavened bread. This annual Sabbath can fall on any day of the week, not just Friday.
Jesus was buried just before sunset. Three days and three nights later would also be just before sunset. So the resurrection must have occurred just before sunset. Since Jesus was already resurrected when the women came to the grave Sunday morning, Jesus must have been resurrected Saturday afternoon just before sunset, the weekly Sabbath, at the latest. Jesus therefore could not have been resurrected on Sunday.
The weekly Sabbath command by God for Christians is the seventh day of the week, not Sunday. This command, as are all of the ten commandments, is still in force for Christians. Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man (all mankind, not just the Jews). James wrote that if we break one point of the law we break the whole law, using two of the ten commandments as examples, showing that the ten commandments are still in force for Christians.
The Sabbath/Shabaat is Saturday; has always been Saturday. The switch to Sunday occurred at a time the early church was actively trying to distance itself from Judaism. It was decided, at an ecumenical council, that Christians should be forbidden to "Judaize" (sp?) by worshiping on the true sabbath, and should move their holy day to Sunday.
The Seventh Day Adventists have some good historical information on this. You can Google or get information at any Adventist church.
The Seventh Day Adventists have some good historical information on this. You can Google or get information at any Adventist church.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Sunday isn't the Sabbath. Sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday is the Sabbath. Sunday is the Lord's Day, as James said, and is a celebration of the resurrection -- not a celebration of the Sabbath.
I don't understand the point made by Author. We're pretty sure that Christ wasn't born on December 25...and we're pretty sure that Christ wasn't raised on the Sunday after the first full moon following the vernal equinox (James would disagree on this, too). Yet, these are the dates of the festivals (with differences). What's the point?
I don't understand the point made by Author. We're pretty sure that Christ wasn't born on December 25...and we're pretty sure that Christ wasn't raised on the Sunday after the first full moon following the vernal equinox (James would disagree on this, too). Yet, these are the dates of the festivals (with differences). What's the point?
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sojourner said:
Bankrupt thinking produces empty conclusions.
d.n.irvin
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Everyones post was appreciated. And since I've made this post I've found a wealth of information. But a few of you- not mentioning any names, I wonder if Jesus was returned today, would you be able to confidently gaze into the Saviours eyes and give Him the answers you gave me. Essentially saying "Jesus, I would rather obey man than You". I say that because the majority of you didn't reply with " Thus sayeth the Lord". No one addressed my statements and questions I made in the original post with the word of God.
~We are living in the last days, when error of a most deceptive character is accepted and believed, while truth is discarded. The Lord will hold both ministers and people responsible for the light which shines in our day.~
How do you reply to people who ask about spiritual things and not give spiritual answers? Why is the Sabbath truth, the most controverted truth among "Christians"?
Personally I am only interested in what the bible has to say, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God. Do you really believe that the only commandment God is telling us to Remember, we are to forget?
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10
Most if not all of you Know the Sabbath is truth, you just reject it, and if it seems I'm harping on the Sabbath it is because eternal salvation is at stake! The scripture is specific on satans deceptions in the Last Days.
[FONT=arial,sans-serif]But there is a greater issue at stake, it is one thing for you not to believe, but it is a different matter when you teach others not to believe on the Sabbath. As you wrestle with accepting truth I will pray for you. I leave with this passage: [/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif]Hebrews 4:1 ¶Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
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~We are living in the last days, when error of a most deceptive character is accepted and believed, while truth is discarded. The Lord will hold both ministers and people responsible for the light which shines in our day.~
How do you reply to people who ask about spiritual things and not give spiritual answers? Why is the Sabbath truth, the most controverted truth among "Christians"?
Personally I am only interested in what the bible has to say, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God. Do you really believe that the only commandment God is telling us to Remember, we are to forget?
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10
Most if not all of you Know the Sabbath is truth, you just reject it, and if it seems I'm harping on the Sabbath it is because eternal salvation is at stake! The scripture is specific on satans deceptions in the Last Days.
[FONT=arial,sans-serif]But there is a greater issue at stake, it is one thing for you not to believe, but it is a different matter when you teach others not to believe on the Sabbath. As you wrestle with accepting truth I will pray for you. I leave with this passage: [/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif]Hebrews 4:1 ¶Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Why do you assume that a spiritual answer can only come from the Bible? I believe that the Traditions of the Body of Christ carry spiritual weight, too. Most Christians do not approach Christian teaching from a standpoint of sola scriptura.
I believe Christ is pleased for us to celebrate the resurrection, and yes! I would stand face-to-face with Jesus and tell him why I believe that. How can I do that? Because my conscience on the matter is clear and guilt-free.
I believe Christ is pleased for us to celebrate the resurrection, and yes! I would stand face-to-face with Jesus and tell him why I believe that. How can I do that? Because my conscience on the matter is clear and guilt-free.
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angellous_evangellous
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d.n.irvin said:
Many who are first will be last... several of us who arrogantly think that we understand God Most High will be brought low, and many of us who simply await the tender mercies of the Lord will have our hopes fulfilled.
May God have mercy on us all
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angellous_evangellous
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The rest of us are worried about feeding the poor, defending the helpless, and healing the sick.
Where is the Pharisee that accused Jesus? I recall that all were silenced by his good works on the Sabbath.
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