Why the Bible is not the word of God

[Paraprakrti]

The neccessity of a living master as opposed to the Bible.


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The master lives eternally in his words. Remembering those words or writing them down makes no difference.

 

[xexon]

Do you serve a dead master? Did you receive your knowledge of him through books? How much of your infinite wisdom did you receive from books?
I serve a living master, "The Alpha and the Omega". Much of my knowledge of Him is from reading the bible. Much is revealed to me through His Holy Spirit.

A master accepts students while he is here. After the master dies, that door closes, but not for those that followed him in life. A new master picks up where the old one leaves off, and accepts new students.

"Wisdom" does not come from books.


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[xexon]

Xexon I agree where you are saying the books are dead… yet the authors are not they are much alive in the heart of all whom reads them, if they perceive not so much what they are saying (as for Dogma); yet how they talk, as each is music and expresses character.

Yet your point is exactly what the mustard seed is meaning, as it is in the dhamapada the Upanishads, the Quran, and the Bible.
The Bible is the words of prophets, speaking about God.
It is distracting to the end point as you are saying, where peoples choice in reading them is to find God, yet often they will find dogma and stagnation....where as to begin as child they had God and this is what the mustard seed truly means…that to grow you didn’t need one book and for all to use the same reference, the light shone from somewhere out side of the box.
which is a test for all the books, as they sit as one; the people don't and so miss that God is linking them all; as how could each book contain the same, when they hadn't read each others work.
so to see the element of Zen beyond the writing them self’s and to perceive the interlinking between is pure poetic beauty of timing, as to have bits that inter weave and finish in another book is amazing (especially when written before) and does show God. yet to know what to look for or to keep the faith whilst doing with the many twist and turns is unreal.

The danger of book-learning is the fact that they cannot correct your course when you lose your way. And you will.

Have you ever read "The Mustard Seed", by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh?

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[xexon]

The master lives eternally in his words. Remembering those words or writing them down makes no difference.

It DOES make a difference. As I just pointed out above, a book cannot correct you when you get lost. It is easy to drift from one illusion to another and not know the difference.

A master can point out your errors and make sure the path is maintained in the proper direction. A book cannot.




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[Paraprakrti]

It DOES make a difference. As I just pointed out above, a book cannot correct you when you get lost. It is easy to drift from one illusion to another and not know the difference.

A master can point out your errors and make sure the path is maintained in the proper direction. A book cannot.




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That may be a difficulty in those traditions that lack a physical spiritual master of some sort, but this does not mean one should do away with the sacred texts.

Also, seeing that you come from a Vedic background, I will tell you that there are siksa and diksa gurus. Siksa is an instructing guru. A diksa guru is an initiating guru. Basically, a diksa is also a siksa, but a siksa is not necessarily a diksa. Jesus falls under the category of diksa guru. Ideally, his disciples should at least become siksa and carry on that message accompanied with the sacred texts of the Bible. Once again, one should not throw out sacred texts.

 

[XAAX]

It DOES make a difference. As I just pointed out above, a book cannot correct you when you get lost. It is easy to drift from one illusion to another and not know the difference.

A master can point out your errors and make sure the path is maintained in the proper direction. A book cannot.
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What is your opinion on spirit masters as guides? I don't mean in the religious sense before you take that the wrong way....I mean true Universal spirit.

 

[Paraprakrti]

The danger of book-learning is the fact that they cannot correct your course when you lose your way. And you will.

Have you ever read "The Mustard Seed", by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh?

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This just in:

Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh writes a book about how we shouldn't read books.


Put that in the RF newsletter.

 

[XAAX]

the sacred texts of the Bible.

This is an opinion. You see them as sacred. I do not. I see them as intentionally misleading to confuse and enslave the masses to their dogma. I believe they may have a purpose though. Some spirits may not be capable of anything more in this lifetime.

 

[Paraprakrti]

The thread you are currently in is a BIBLICAL debate thread, which means that this particular compilation of texts is herein accepted as authoritative.

 

[xexon]

That may be a difficulty in those traditions that lack a physical spiritual master of some sort, but this does not mean one should do away with the sacred texts.

Also, seeing that you come from a Vedic background, I will tell you that there are siksa and diksa gurus. Siksa is an instructing guru. A diksa guru is an initiating guru. Basically, a diksa is also a siksa, but a siksa is not necessarily a diksa. Jesus falls under the category of diksa guru. Ideally, his disciples should at least become siksa and carry on that message accompanied with the sacred texts of the Bible. Once again, one should not throw out sacred texts.

I'm not saying that books are worthless. They are needed to condition the mind to the idea that there is something beyond what the mind itself can see. But in the more advanced stages of a spiritual path, the only way you are going to get to your destination is through personal contact with someone who has been there before you and knows the way.

No religion can deliver you any further than heaven's gate. The ability to open that gate is not something any book can tell you.

You can't pick it open with good deeds or devotion. It only opens through hard work on the self.



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[xexon]

What is your opinion on spirit masters as guides? I don't mean in the religious sense before you take that the wrong way....I mean true Universal spirit.

While there are disembodied entities that are helpful, they are not alone in there.

Stick with humans. Someone you can see and touch.


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[UnTheist]

With what little knowledge I have on the Bible, I know there is one thing seriously wrong with it: God hates homosexuals.

 

[xexon]

This just in:

Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh writes a book about how we shouldn't read books.


Put that in the RF newsletter.

To the contrary. The Mustard Seed is great for those who struggle with the Bible.

The greater part of humanity will never encounter a master. Books, and well meaning individuals are all they have. To remove that without offering something in return would be wrong.

This world is one of children. Spiritual children. They lack the maturity to understand the higher concepts that would allow them to escape this dark little world. So until they've grown up a little, let them have their bottle.

They'll look for real food when they're ready to.



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[xexon]

With what little knowledge I have on the Bible, I know there is one thing seriously wrong with it: God hates homosexuals.

God does not hate.

Religion endows God with human emotions so that lessons can be carried more effectively. Most cannot form any kind of image of God without this symbolism. Religion is highly symbolic, and they've done it for so long, they can no longer remember the reality behind the symbolism.


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[UnTheist]

God does not hate.

Religion endows God with human emotions so that lessons can be carried more effectively. Most cannot form any kind of image of God without this symbolism. Religion is highly symbolic, and they've done it for so long, they can no longer remember the reality behind the symbolism.


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I think you know what I mean by 'hate'

I consider God hating someone if He decides to burn them in Hell for eternity. And since God would not accept Homosexuals into Heaven, I just say he hates them. But I know he really doesn't. I just like to use the term that way.

 

[XAAX]

With what little knowledge I have on the Bible, I know there is one thing seriously wrong with it: God hates homosexuals.

Actually, the Jews that were responsible for what the bible is today, hated homosexuals...God is all things, incapable of hate in the sense that they try to imply. To be a homosexual may go against the "natural order" of things, it is not negative(evil) to my understanding of the Universe.

 

[xexon]

Thats because you are externalizing what you feel about how homosexuals are treated by society at large.

Spirit knows nothing of being one sex or another. You only have that as a human. Take comfort in that.


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[XAAX]

God does not hate.

Religion endows God with human emotions so that lessons can be carried more effectively. Most cannot form any kind of image of God without this symbolism. Religion is highly symbolic, and they've done it for so long, they can no longer remember the reality behind the symbolism.
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I find once again, your concepts to be very similar to my own. I will have to get the book that you mentioned in the other post. A question for you. What in your belief is the "end" of your path? (What I mean by this is the christian would say heaven.)

 

[UnTheist]

Thats because you are externalizing what you feel about how homosexuals are treated by society at large.

Spirit knows nothing of being one sex or another. You only have that as a human. Take comfort in that.


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If God doesn't hate, I feel there is no reason for Him to burn Homosexuals forever (I am referring to Christianity). That accomplishes nothing, especially when they pose no threat to humanity.

 

[xexon]

The end would be a total immersion in the Godhead. The cup is poured back into the ocean from which it came.

Some return to earth however as compassion leads them to help those who stil struggle with the way home.


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