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Why the Book of Enoch is God's Word.

sooda

Veteran Member
Enoch mention the king of kings before he came to earth.

Enoch was written from 300-200 BC to 150 AD. The Bible isn't history or science. Its poems and allegories and morality tales. And, Enoch is NOT Canon. It was found in Ethiopia circa 1700 AD.
 

Sandoval777

New Member
Sorry, I'm a little late to the party. We all get a chance to either accept or reject God's Word. I'm only throwing the seeds, whether they spout or not is up to Him.

I made a cheat sheet of what I have discovered so far if anyone wants to dig in. (red box = quoted by the Messiah in the NT)
I included the cover page so you know the English translation Im using.

"If it is of God, you cannot overthrow it" - Gamaliel (Acts 5:39 NKJ)



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KW

Well-Known Member
As to the OP:
Richard Carrier in his magnum opus On The Historicity of Jesus, Why We Might Have Reason to Doubt, Sheffield Phoenix Press, 2014, demonstrates with utterly convincing evidence that the era of the origin of the Books of Enoch was the prime time obssession of the ancient Jewish for story telling. We have literally hundreds if not thousands of made up books, some of which actually made it into the Bible (Daniel) which no group of Jews nor Christians believe is the Word of God. This era was the best time to just, to quote Carrier "make stuff up." Whether it contradicts the Bible or not is irrelevant as to it being the Word of God. It is some Apocalyptic Jews point of view about the political times they were living in according to several Bible scholars, James C. Vanderkam, R. H. Charles, James H. Charlesworth, Andrei Orlov, Gabriele Boccaccini, Joseph A. Fitzmyer, Robert M. Price, J. T. Milik, and George W. E. Nickelsburg, to name the most prominant players in this area. Even the Mormon scholar Hugh Nibley got into the act, and came up with all sorts of parallels to demonstrate without question (in his mind) that it doesn't contradict the Mormon scripture they call The Pearl of Great Price, and the books of Enoch prove Joseph Smith was a true prophet!

This is an area which is simply rife with speculation and innuendo, phony scholarship, and yet real and serious attempts as well, to attempt to figure out just what the Sam Hill is going on. There is simply no final conclusions we can point to as of yet, other than the ancient crackpots can still continue to influence some modern day crankpots with their own weird and wild fantasies. I'm not calling you a crankpot, I am saying your ideas simply don't hold up all that well. There is vastly more made up stories and phony history in the history of Judaism than there is scripture by a rather large margin actually! I used to study all this kind of stuff all the time. If it's one accusation that holds up rather well, it is that the ancient Jews were some of the best story tellers and inventors of stories of all time, and we have overwhelming evidence showing this. One must be exceedingly careful in that regard. What you have accepted as the Word of God simply isn't so, by a vast margin of many religions and scholars of religion and history. I, for one, cannot follow in your footsteps in agreement either, sorry.


Paraphrasing Chesterton:

That a story is told in multiple civilizations does not decrease the possibility that it is true.
 
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