Why the hell do we need relgion ?.

[Demonslayer]

Men are the generative power and women the nurturing power.

Traditionally that was so, but it's not necessary. Many men play the nurturing father role a lot these days, and women are more and more routinely becoming powerful in business, etc.

 

[Geoff-Allen]

Why do we need religion ?, can we not live together in peace without a God standing over us and watching everything we do ?. Are we that stupid that we cannot be kind to each other without a a big Daddy, so is religion really for those who are stupid and cannot do what is right ?. And why so many religions ?, is one better than the other ?, or are they all just plain egocentric, believing they and them only hold the so called truth ?.

You're right - religion DOES cause a lot of strife in this world.

In theory it should be about love & peace & we're all one big, happy family!

If we all simply followed the golden rule, it would utterly transform life on this planet.

To me, a good belief system is one that helps you become a kinder & more compassionate human being.

Cheers!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What type of religion do you guys want to rid people of?

I dont see religion dangerous in and of itself. Whsts wrong with "it"?

 

[Demonslayer]

To me, a good belief system is one that helps you become a kinder & more compassionate human being.

Pretty good idea, a good belief system should indeed help you become a kinder and more compassionate person.

How about this as a follow up question.

Person A is kind and compassionate because he knows his behavior is being monitored and he will be punished if he's not kind and compassionate, and rewarded if he is.

Person B is kind and compassionate regardless of personal reward.

Which person is more truly morally good?

 

[Demonslayer]

What type of religion do you guys want to rid people of?

The kind that causes bigotry against gay people, for one?

The kind that causes people to take people who cheat on their spouse, bury them up to their necks, and throw rocks at them until they die, for another?

I dont see religion dangerous in and of itself. Whsts wrong with "it"?

My very Catholic grandmother refused to attend my wedding because I married a girl who was raised in a Jewish family. She wouldn't speak to my wife, and hardly to me after I married this woman who is the love of my life. She said it was wrong for me to marry outside the religion, that our marriage was not valid.

She never budged on this position and refused to attend family events if my wife was going to be there. She behaved this way until the day she died. And this is a very common situation.

Nothing wrong with that?

 

[Geoff-Allen]

Person A is kind and compassionate because he knows his behavior is being monitored and he will be punished if he's not kind and compassionate, and rewarded if he is.

Person B is kind and compassionate regardless of personal reward.

Which person is more truly morally good?

Interesting!

I guess I would just like 2 see more true compassion iin the world - it really is it's own reward.

The word "compassion" never used 2 be in my vocabulary - I was very cynical. So people can change - I now experience FAR more peace-of-mind.

Not sure if I have answered your query

Have a good one!

 

[Town Heretic]

Why do we need religion ?

You're assuming that context. What if religion is a response to a realization instead.

can we not live together in peace without a God standing over us and watching everything we do ?

Maybe the problem is, again, in your approach. If God is and one's faith and approach is more a reflection of the belief in that reality then it isn't about God "standing over us". If history is prelude then it doesn't appear that we can manage to live in peace with one another for very long under any particular flag or ideological leaning.

Are we that stupid that we cannot be kind to each other without a a big Daddy,

Again, perhaps the problem is in your reduction. I think there's a fairer consideration and a better question/context here that you're missing in route to a fairly standard line of inferential insult to people of faith.

so is religion really for those who are stupid and cannot do what is right ?

Are banks for people who can't count or hold onto money without help? Maybe here and there, but mostly it doesn't seem so.

And why so many religions ?

Why are there so many different political ideas, parties and expressions? We all want good government. Why haven't we found "the best one" yet? Or, so long as there are two me there will be two different ways of looking at the same thing. An accident can have one cause and a hundred witnesses who differ on the particulars. Their difference doesn't negate the accident.

, is one better than the other ?

Sure. I think everyone would agree on that, even if we didn't agree on the particular one.

, or are they all just plain egocentric, believing they and them only hold the so called truth ?.

Meh, you could say an atheist is egocentric believing himself to be the arbiter of moral truth. Not sure what that sort of approach amounts to or accomplishes.

Yes when we look into it or religion, all we see is B.S.

Speak for yourself...or selves, apparently.

, so why are so many addicted to this nightmare ?

When you find the problem with your question and most of your premise you'll have the beginning of a real conversation.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The kind that causes bigotry against gay people, for one?

The kind that causes people to take people who cheat on their spouse, bury them up to their necks, and throw rocks at them until they die, for another?



My very Catholic grandmother refused to attend my wedding because I married a girl who was raised in a Jewish family. She wouldn't speak to my wife, and hardly to me after I married this woman who is the love of my life. She said it was wrong for me to marry outside the religion, that our marriage was not valid.

She never budged on this position and refused to attend family events if my wife was going to be there. She behaved this way until the day she died. And this is a very common situation.

Nothing wrong with that?

Sounds more personal. Religion in and of itself harms no one.

Ive met very non demanding and I have not practiced catholicism in the way some "people" practice it. I practiced according to the faith. There was no hate in me in that religion nor did that religion lead me to hate others for being gay etc.

I dont agree with their dogma; and, if people use their dogma to incriminate others, its Those religious thats wrong Not the religion. It does nothing in and of itself.

Kind of like an atheist blaming god for disagreeing with gay marriage. Makes no sense. How can you disagree with "the person/entity" you dont believe exists? Maybe they disagree with the People not the belief, I dont know.

Religion harms no one. Many people do.

 

[psychoslice]

Rules have nothing to do with "truth".

I can't decypher the rest of your post because your grammar is all over the place. I've seen your other posts, and normally your grammar is fine. What's going on?

Sorry, I had some mental issues yesterday.

 

[psychoslice]

I'm pretty sure that most religious belief results from the uncertainty and brevity of human life, and the fear of death. I'm pretty sure that most religious belief is about seeking comfort rather than truth.

Yes that's how I see it, and also what I have seen over the years of being a Christian, the ones who were truly happy in life didn't come to church as much as the others.

 

[psychoslice]

Clearly not. Of course the belief that there is some god standing over us doesn’t seem to make much difference.

Humans are messed up. Religion is just one tiny example of that and nothing that special in the grand scheme of things. You might as well ask what’s the point of anonymously posting generic rants on the internet.

Yes many humans are messed up, just like a child that is crying, you give him an ice-cream and he stops crying,

 

[psychoslice]

How non-Humean. Why do we "need" anything? How to we get from an is to an ought?

Yes.


Religion generally doesn't concern god or morality. This form of religion is actually quite modern.

Perhaps because they are right. Perhaps because (as seems to be the case) we are biologically inclined towards belief. Perhaps it isn't a nightmare (certainly one need not imagine hellish realities from history that were distinctly anti-religious in origin). Perhaps you simply haven't sufficiently studied history, religion, philosophy (including atheist, such as Nietzsche, Camus, or Sartre), or metaphysics.

I have studied much about religion, and this is why I am asking the question, because I have realized that religion is most certainly the opium of the people, they are addicted to their beliefs more so than any drug.

 

[psychoslice]

Did you ever see a religious donkey ?

Yes everywhere I look lol.

 

[psychoslice]

I don't know about that percentage is right or wrong, all I know is my own observation, and even if it was true, that ,means there is only12% not happy without religion.

 

[psychoslice]

If religion is limited to deities, we dont need it as a whole. Some people benefit from it. Nothing wrong with that.

Religion is not just towards deities. Its not always dogmatic. Yes, we all need it. Peolle define it differently

Why do we need it ?.

 

[psychoslice]

Is it ultimately about being 'kind to one another' or something else, like learning?

You can be kind to others without religion, that tells us to be kind as if were stupid, I learnt much more when I left the church, where as the church had me in dogma.

 

[psychoslice]

Peace be on you.
All the matters which are essential for the perfection of human are comprehended within the realm of religion.
Religion comprises all teaching which nourish the raw capacities (with which human is born) and take it to the level of humanity. Then religion gives further progress and make human a wise human. From there religion takes human to devoted to God human.

Troubles seen in world and name of religion comming up here and there, it not due to religion, it is due to abuse, non-practice or ignorance.

Thank you, but I cannot agree with that.

 

[psychoslice]

I would say that the prisons of the mind are far more pernicious than the prisons made of stone and steel.

Yes that is true, the mind is trapped in beliefs, the more beliefs the bigger the prison, we can make our prison all beautiful with all sorts of beliefs, but its still a prison.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why do we need it ?.

Religion is to practice or values and morals\lifestyle. For example, maybe an athiest morals is to do good in the community and help the homeless. So his religious deed each morning is to set aside money for charity.

It's important because it help s those in need. I have a video in a thread of mine that talks about the importance of religious structure ina secular world and how it can help.

We need it because it helps individuals build structure in their life. Say it could be family. It helps people find purpose say it's a dream to have a family. It doesn't need to have dieties.

 

[psychoslice]

You're assuming that context. What if religion is a response to a realization instead.


Maybe the problem is, again, in your approach. If God is and one's faith and approach is more a reflection of the belief in that reality then it isn't about God "standing over us". If history is prelude then it doesn't appear that we can manage to live in peace with one another for very long under any particular flag or ideological leaning.


Again, perhaps the problem is in your reduction. I think there's a fairer consideration and a better question/context here that you're missing in route to a fairly standard line of inferential insult to people of faith.


Are banks for people who can't count or hold onto money without help? Maybe here and there, but mostly it doesn't seem so.


Why are there so many different political ideas, parties and expressions? We all want good government. Why haven't we found "the best one" yet? Or, so long as there are two me there will be two different ways of looking at the same thing. An accident can have one cause and a hundred witnesses who differ on the particulars. Their difference doesn't negate the accident.


Sure. I think everyone would agree on that, even if we didn't agree on the particular one.


Meh, you could say an atheist is egocentric believing himself to be the arbiter of moral truth. Not sure what that sort of approach amounts to or accomplishes.


Speak for yourself...or selves, apparently.

When you find the problem with your question and most of your premise you'll have the beginning of a real conversation.

Ha, a real conversation is what you want to hear, all you do is make excuses, I know what I am saying does apply to some, but I do feel it applies to most.