Why the hell do we need relgion ?.

[psychoslice]

Religion is to practice or values and morals\lifestyle. For example, maybe an athiest morals is to do good in the community and help the homeless. So his religious deed each morning is to set aside money for charity.

It's important because it help s those in need. I have a video in a thread of mine that talks about the importance of religious structure ina secular world and how it can help.

We need it because it helps individuals build structure in their life. Say it could be family. It helps people find purpose say it's a dream to have a family. It doesn't need to have dieties.

Yes like a drug it does seem to help, but that is all it is, a drug, and a very powerful one at that.

 

[Sundance]

• So many religions are there because so many people are unhappy. A happy person needs no religion; a happy person needs no temple, no church -- because for a happy person the whole universe is a temple, the whole existence is a church. The happy person has nothing like religious activity because his whole life is religious. ?

Ah, psychoslice, I'll absolutely beg to disagree with you there.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes like a drug it does seem to help, but that is all it is, a drug, and a very powerful one at that.

Wait. So what do you do on a"everyday" based that correlated with what you value in life?

What is religion to you?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

• So many religions are there because so many people are unhappy. A happy person needs no religion; a happy person needs no temple, no church -- because for a happy person the whole universe is a temple, the whole existence is a church. The happy person has nothing like religious activity because his whole life is religious. ?

Not all religions have dogma, churchs, etc. religion is the person's heart and is lived as a lifestyle. How you define religion is limited;not all people who are religious fit that definition. Those that do are not all drugged.

 

[psychoslice]

Ah, psychoslice, I'll absolutely beg to disagree with you there.

That's Ok, that's the way it should be, but still, how do you see it ?.

 

[Riverwolf]

Sorry, I had some mental issues yesterday.

Okay. Could you clarify, now?

 

[psychoslice]

Wait. So what do you do on a"everyday" based that correlated with what you value in life?

What is religion to you?

I live my life as it flows, I don't have to believe in my life, or cling to it, it just simply happens.

 

[psychoslice]

Not all religions have dogma, churchs, etc. religion is the person's heart and is lived as a lifestyle. How you define religion is limited;not all people who are religious fit that definition. Those that do are not all drugged.

Yes and I am glad you brought that up, true religion is only found within, not in a church or outside of us, religion should be something that transcends us to a higher Consciousness, not something that keeps stagnate, it is like a stepping stone, to camp on one stone is to miss the whole point of the stones.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes and I am glad you brought that up, true religion is only found within, not in a church or outside of us, religion should be something that transcends us to a higher Consciousness, not something that keeps stagnate, it is like a stepping stone, to camp on one stone is to miss the whole point of the stones.

Why put religion down? Its in the heart not in dogma. People who believe in dogma etc are not drugged. They (as I once did) believe their heart. Why judge their belief based on how they practice? What makes their religion not from the heart? What do you see in them that they dont see ahen they take their religion seriously from the heart as you and i even though our definitions differ?

 

[psychoslice]

Why put religion down? Its in the heart not in dogma. People who believe in dogma etc are not drugged. They (az I once did) believe their heart. Why judge their belief based on how they practice? What makes their religion not from the heart? Whst do you see in them that they dont see ahen they take their rigion seriously from the heart as you ans i even thouh our definitions differ?

I am don't putting people down, I am putting beliefs down, people are not beliefs, and I am not judging anyone, I am simply sharing my thoughts on religion, the concept of religion. People even have wars because of how they feel in the so called heart, Hitler believed from his heart that he was doing the right thing.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I am don't putting people down, I am putting beliefs down, people are not beliefs, and I am not judging anyone, I am simply sharing my thoughts on religion, the concept of religion. People even have wars because of how they feel in the so called heart, Hitler believed from his heart that he was doing the right thing.

What Im asking is, why put religion down. Religion is fromnthe heart. People who believe in religion may believe in dogma and they are no different than you and i. (My opinion)

Why put religion down?

Nothing evil comes from the heart. Hiltler needed help. He is human too.

 

[psychoslice]

What Im asking is, why put religion down. Religion is fromnthe heart. People who believe in religion may believe in dogma and they are no different than you and i. (My opinion)

Why put religion down?

Nothing evil comes from the heart. Hiltler needed help. He is human too.

But how do you know it all comes from the heart, what is this heart to you ?.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

But how do you know it all comes from the heart, what is this heart to you ?.

Interesting question. Genuine humility, peacefulness, calmness, free spirited, wisdom, etc. Thats from abrahamic perspective. I agree with the Buddha that what attributes we define as from the heart is actually from the mind. We just have to leadn about our mind and our will (or heart?) will follow. The motor or spirit that keeps you going.

Im not familar with the word consciousness. I gusss thats similar?

 

[Town Heretic]

Ha, a real conversation is what you want to hear, all you do is make excuses

Rather, I met a blunderbuss conclusion with the suggestion that you should be as encompassing in your consideration of alternative premises.

I know what I am saying does apply to some, but I do feel it applies to most.

I get that's how you feel about it. I just don't think you've supported it with argument.

 

[psychoslice]

Interesting question. Genuine humility, peacefulness, calmness, free spirited, wisdom, etc. Thats from abrahamic perspective. I agree with the Buddha that what attributes we define as from the heart is actually from the mind. We just have to leadn about our mind and our will (or heart?) will follow. The motor or spirit that keeps you going.

Im not familar with the word consciousness. I gusss thats similar?

The so called heart to me is our true inner Being, Consciousness is our true state, everything is Consciousness, we and everything arises from that Consciousness or Source., and everything emerges back to Consciousness. The heart, or from the heart we realize our true identity, that we are all One, much of religion takes that away from us, and gives us nothing more than promises, it won't allow you to grow in sprit, what it called growth, is nothing more than obedience to a god in the sky.

 

[psychoslice]

Rather, I met a blunderbuss conclusion with the suggestion that you should be as encompassing in your consideration of alternative premises.


I get that's how you feel about it. I just don't think you've supported it with argument.

I am not here to argue, I am here to share my view on religion, we cannot argue with things that are not seen, for me the true religion is that which brings us to our true identity, that being One in God, or Consciousness, there is only Consciousness, and to realize this fully, is to go within and find out for ourselves, not clinging to scripture that is over two thousand years ago, that's not growth, that's a stagnate belief system that is far gone in substance.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The so called heart to me is our true inner Being, Consciousness is our true state, everything is Consciousness, we and everything arises from that Consciousness or Source., and everything emerges back to Consciousness. The heart, or from the heart we realize our true identity, that we are all One, much of religion takes that away from us, and gives us nothing more than promises, it won't allow you to grow in sprit, what it called growth, is nothing more than obedience to a god in the sky.

We differ. What you describes makes up religion to me. Whether we call it buddhanature, consciousness,heart,trueself, doesnt matter. If I live these beliefs or teachings (whatever the name) they become my religion.

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True religion is that which brings us to our true identity, that being One in God, or Consciousness, there is only Consciousness, and to realize this fully, is to go within and find out for ourselves,

Ita not religion itself you disagree with but the one of many types of religion that focuses on dogma and churches?

 

[psychoslice]

We differ. What you describes makes up religion to me. Whether we call it buddhanature, consciousness,heart,trueself, doesnt matter. If I live these beliefs or teachings (whatever the name) they become my religion.

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Ita not religion itself you disagree with but the one typs of religion that focuses on dogma and churches?

Yes I am certainly against dogma and fundamentalism, again these only stunt the growth of our true inner Being, in fact all religions and paths keep us away from ever truly knowing ourselves, when we go within to find ourselves we have to drop all concepts no matter how beautiful we believe then to be, in other words, our cup must be empty so as to be full.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes I am certainly against dogma and fundamentalism, again these only stunt the growth of our true inner Being, in fact all religions and paths keep us away from ever truly knowing ourselves, when we go within to find ourselves we have to drop all concepts no matter how beautiful we believe then to be, in other words, our cup must be empty so as to be full.

I founs true self can be foune both ways. Just religious dogma can make people depended on it rather than depended on thsmselves. For example, Jesus did t say depend on the Bible He said depend onnHis Father. He also didnt say forget your self and follow dogma like a robot. He said what you do for others you have done for him.

Its the People who make religion look bad. In my experience, witness, and opinion its not the religion (the practice) itz how peope interpret and depend on the practice thst may stund their growth. It didnt stunt my growth. It did the opposite. I just was growing in the wrong flower garden.

We do disagree with dogma and churches etc. Ive seen people abuse teachings not the other way around as I think youre saying?

 

[Town Heretic]

I am not here to argue, I am here to share my view on religion,

Fair enough then. I hope you broaden your considerations at some point then.

we cannot argue with things that are not seen,

But we can evaluate, examine how we approach our opinion and whether or not that approach is rooted in objectivity or colored by a natural bias...consider our methodological inclinations, if you would.

for me the true religion is that which brings us to our true identity, that being One in God, or Consciousness, there is only Consciousness, and to realize this fully, is to go within and find out for ourselves,

This much doesn't trouble me, though we have differences. What I find needless and wrong headed is what you follow it with.

not clinging to scripture that is over two thousand years ago,

That's what you're bringing to it. It isn't necessarily reflective of how those who value scripture approach it.

that's not growth, that's a stagnate belief system that is far gone in substance.

Truth doesn't grow, it allows us to grow, both into an appreciation of it and of its impact within us. Truth isn't stagnant then, but eternal, the mark by which we note any meaningful change.

And lastly, I'd suggest that if you feel the need to denigrate the faith of others to advance your own you might want to reflect on the why of it and consider a bit of growth yourself.