Why the hell do we need relgion ?.

[psychoslice]

I founs true self can be foune both ways. Just religious dogma can make people depended on it rather than depended on thsmselves. For example, Jesus did t say depend on the Bible He said depend onnHis Father. He also didnt say forget your self and follow dogma like a robot. He said what you do for others you have done for him.

Its the People who make religion look bad. In my experience, witness, and opinion its not the religion (the practice) itz how peope interpret and depend on the practice thst may stund their growth. It didnt stunt my growth. It did the opposite. I just was growing in the wrong flower garden.

We do disagree with dogma and churches etc. Ive seen people abuse teachings not the other way around as I think youre saying?

Yes, I think we are seeing the same thing but from a different perception, Christianity was a good stepping stone at one time in my life, but to stay there, is to die there, never growing. You seem to be someone who has grown, and that is how it should be, religion can be like a hospital where we go to be healed spiritually, but we do not need to be in this hospital forever, as you have and I have done, that is moving on from the pointing to that which is pointed to, this is true religion.

 

[RedDragon94]

Yes I certainly realize about the ultimate Consciousness, after all that is who I am, but religion is a disease that takes us away from our true identity, and gives us nothing but faith, that is worth nothing.

You see this is the problem I'm running into with Christianity. Religion isn't just supposed give us faith it's supposed to help us look at the whole of life as spiritual. What we should be looking for is not a religion set in stone but a spirituality that is ever evolving. What I hear from my faith of interest is that we need to be knowledgeable to know what's real. Right @Riverwolf ?

 

[psychoslice]

Fair enough then. I hope you broaden your considerations at some point then, because there's more there than the fairly narrow and critical approach you've met the point with.


But we can evaluate, examine how we approach our opinion, our methodological inclinations.


This much doesn't trouble me, though we have differences. What I find needless and wrong headed is what you follow it with.

I am not being critical, I am simply sharing what I have witnessed, if that sound critical to you then that your problem. not mine. Yes I have evaluated and examined what I have shared, and that which I have shared is the result.

 

[psychoslice]

You see this is the problem I'm running into with Christianity. Religion isn't just supposed give us faith it's supposed to help us look at the whole of life as spiritual. What we should be looking for is not a religion set in stone but a spirituality that is ever evolving. What I hear from my faith of interest is that we need to be knowledgeable to know what's real. Right @Riverwolf ?

Yes I like that, spirituality is forever flowing, we cannot dam it up and call it a religion, for to do so is to kill the spirit.

 

[RedDragon94]

Yes I like that, spirituality is forever flowing, we cannot dam it up and call it a religion, for to do so is to kill the spirit.

Right, knowledge is constantly expanding.

 

[Town Heretic]

I am not being critical,

So you think stagnant is a good thing? Clinging? Far gone in substance? Because I'd suggest you approach anyone you know and describe whatever it is they believe strongly with those very terms and see what their responses are...it might be educational.

I am simply sharing what I have witnessed,

The worst approach to a broad truth is through the anecdotal. The only objective value in the anecdotal is as an illustration of a truth arrived at by a better means.

if that sound critical to you then that your problem. not mine.

It isn't a problem for me, but it is a demonstrable problem in your approach, unless you're indifferent to how that approach impacts those who read you, in which case you've chosen a peculiar hobby.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes, I think we are seeing the same thing but from a different perception, Christianity was a good stepping stone at one time in my life, but to stay there, is to die there, never growing. You seem to be someone who has grown, and that is how it should be, religion can be like a hospital where we go to be healed spiritually, but we do not need to be in this hospital forever, as you have and I have done, that is moving on from the pointing to that which is pointed to, this is true religion.

True, I am realizing that gradually. Even with this Nichiren Buddhism, it is dogma. It's not bad to the people who practice it, but after getting the sacrament I'm getting more lazy with my prayers etc. I mean 8 love religion and 8 see it help people not compared to a hospital but always like free spirited faith. That why paganism work for me at one time cause it wasn't a religion but a way of look live. I miss the dogma and practice. I'm just depressed really and lack dicipline to really start practicing.

Anyway I understand where you coming from. What can I say

 

[psychoslice]

So you think stagnant is a good thing? Clinging? Far gone in substance? Because I'd suggest you approach anyone you know and describe whatever it is they believe strongly with those very terms and see what their responses are...it might be educational.


The worst approach to a broad truth is through the anecdotal. The only objective value in the anecdotal is as an illustration of a truth arrived at by a better means.


It isn't a problem for me, but it is a demonstrable problem in your approach, unless you're indifferent to how that approach impacts those who read you, in which case you've chosen a peculiar hobby.

Personally if someone is clinging to any belief, I well help that person let go, of course if they want help, if anyone else is criticised by what I say, then again that's their problem, it has nothing to do with me, I think I just like bursting bubbles lol.

 

[Town Heretic]

Personally if someone is clinging to any belief, I well help that person let go, of course if they want help, if anyone else is criticised by what I say, then again that's their problem, it has nothing to do with me, I think I just like bursting bubbles lol.

Again, clinging is your interjection/judgment. It isn't a necessarily true statement, except as an expression of your bias, which I'd be as happy to help you let go of as the "lol" habit and casual, playfully destructive attitude of personal gratification at the prospect of damaging something of value to another because it doesn't fit into your contextual choice.

 

[Riverwolf]

You see this is the problem I'm running into with Christianity. Religion isn't just supposed give us faith it's supposed to help us look at the whole of life as spiritual. What we should be looking for is not a religion set in stone but a spirituality that is ever evolving. What I hear from my faith of interest is that we need to be knowledgeable to know what's real. Right @Riverwolf ?

Yup.

Life is change and transitions, and most religions acknowledge and embrace this.

 

[Riverwolf]

Yes I like that, spirituality is forever flowing, we cannot dam it up and call it a religion, for to do so is to kill the spirit.

But then, only certain types of Christianity and Islam are religions at all. Then Buddhism, Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Celtic Recon, Heathenry, Religio Romana, Hellenismos, Rodnovery, Shen Dao, Shinto, Tengrism, etc... none of them are religions.

 

[FearGod]

Yes everywhere I look lol.

Do donkeys ask and wonder who created the universe ?

 

[Town Heretic]

Do donkeys ask and wonder who created the universe ?

No, but every ******* [an actual animal that for some reason terrifies the machinery here] you meet has an opinion on it anyway.

 

[psychoslice]

Again, clinging is your interjection/judgment. It isn't a necessarily true statement, except as an expression of your bias, which I'd be as happy to help you let go of as the "lol" habit and casual, playfully destructive attitude of personal gratification at the prospect of damaging something of value to another because it doesn't fit into your contextual choice.

Could I ask you, are you a clinger ?.

 

[psychoslice]

But then, only certain types of Christianity and Islam are religions at all. Then Buddhism, Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Celtic Recon, Heathenry, Religio Romana, Hellenismos, Rodnovery, Shen Dao, Shinto, Tengrism, etc... none of them are religions.

Yes that may be true, but they are belief systems no the less, and I would also say that there are many clinging to those beliefs also.

 

[psychoslice]

Do donkeys ask and wonder who created the universe ?

Yes they do, and they also believe that a god did it all lol.

 

[psychoslice]

Your asking a bunch of people who are going to give you answers avccording to their zeitgeist, anf understanding of things.

But, since your asking me, no idea. I couldn't have an idea, because I have no standard by which to compare those ideas. I don't think that all religions are ''bad'', etc

A word of advice. when the demons come, DONT OFFER THEM COOKIES.

ha, what demons, do you actually believe in them ?.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Right, knowledge is constantly expanding.

Yes, and that's the problem with religious dogma, it limits that understanding.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Life is change and transitions, and most religions acknowledge and embrace this.

At a superficial level perhaps, but at a deeper level? I'm not sure.

 

[psychoslice]

I have to say here that I know religion can keep the ignorant from rebelling and causing mischief throughout the world, but to me that is sad, are we that stupid that we need something like religion to keep us in check, sadly that is the case with many people, for these I would suggest to stay in your religion, you need it for the good of the world, but again its very sad.