Why there will NEVER be world peace...

[ninerbuff]

After reading a proclamation of a member on how jesus will bring world peace, I am convinced that it will NEVER happen.
Now I'm an optimist in every sense of the word, but I'm also a realist and practical. So here's how I see it.
Regardless of religion, social statis, economic statis, demographics, culture and upbringing, there will always be someone in opposition that throws a monkey wrench into whatever your idea of world peace may be.
Ego, power, statis, bias all play a part for people on the top. Even religion has that problem. The very top people make decisions in which they see fit to continue the "spreading of the word" and further help "their" cause and not necessarily yours. Same with CEO's, business people, companies, etc.
So IMO because of ego, power, statis, and bias people will never ever be on the same level and peace that everyone so desires will never happen. Someone will always step on someone else to make sure that it doesn't happen.
The only way peace would happen is if EVERYONE had the same goal, faith, ideas, etc. and it will NEVER be that way. Everyone has opposition regardless of how great their idea of world peace may be. So yes, world peace will never happen IMO.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

All this inspired by one member?

 

[sandandfoam]

I believe in peace. It's only going to happen one mind at a time.
It's also practical. Believing in war is all well and good when you've got the biggest baddest army. What'll happen when the power lies elsewhere? I imagine peace will start to look more attractive then?

 

[Caladan]

I believe in peace. It's only going to happen one mind at a time.
It's also practical. Believing in war is all well and good when you've got the biggest baddest army. What'll happen when the power lies elsewhere? I imagine peace will start to look more attractive then?

All you need to do is follow history stephen. the mightiest armies have been eventually defeated only to be relentlessly created again by the defeated nations.
Germany was defeated in WWI, went under a limiting arms agreements, only to emerge as the most formidable military force in the world a short few decades later. Iraq had the 4th largest military in the world during the time of the first Gulf War, its military was obliterated throughout the Iraqi desert only to be erected again relentlessly the following decade.
The Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian Air Forces were completely annihilated by the Israeli Air Force in 1967, only to be formed again out of the Arab defeat of that war so that the same Arab coalition can lunch another attack against Israel short 6 years later.
History is not a thing of the past, it happens each day around us. all people need to do is pick up a decent newspaper. all political parties will use every means in their disposal to get their way.

 

[doppelganger]

There will never be world peace because people who desire political, social and economic power, necessarily lack inner peace.

 

[Caladan]

There will never be world peace because people who desire political, social and economic power, necessarily lack inner peace.

In other words. All people of the earth.

 

[bobhikes]

After reading a proclamation of a member on how jesus will bring world peace, I am convinced that it will NEVER happen.
Now I'm an optimist in every sense of the word, but I'm also a realist and practical. So here's how I see it.
Regardless of religion, social statis, economic statis, demographics, culture and upbringing, there will always be someone in opposition that throws a monkey wrench into whatever your idea of world peace may be.
Ego, power, statis, bias all play a part for people on the top. Even religion has that problem. The very top people make decisions in which they see fit to continue the "spreading of the word" and further help "their" cause and not necessarily yours. Same with CEO's, business people, companies, etc.
So IMO because of ego, power, statis, and bias people will never ever be on the same level and peace that everyone so desires will never happen. Someone will always step on someone else to make sure that it doesn't happen.
The only way peace would happen is if EVERYONE had the same goal, faith, ideas, etc. and it will NEVER be that way. Everyone has opposition regardless of how great their idea of world peace may be. So yes, world peace will never happen IMO.

I'll take it one better even if you got rid of all the humans there would still be conflicts between animal groups. If you got rid of all the animals. Plants would still fight to extinction over prime teritory. The only way to have peace is kill everything.

 

[sandandfoam]

Where have all the hippies gone?

 

[ninerbuff]

I'll take it one better even if you got rid of all the humans there would still be conflicts between animal groups. If you got rid of all the animals. Plants would still fight to extinction over prime teritory. The only way to have peace is kill everything.

Tru dat! Really it's about survival. I can only try to ensure my own first then my immediate families and I think everyone else thinks the same about theirs which is why they try to instill what they believe is right to try to ensure their existence will last longer.

 

[ninerbuff]

There will never be world peace because people who desire political, social and economic power, necessarily lack inner peace.

What if someone started a political career with full intentions of doing good only to fall into the trap of greed, power and bias? It happens even with the best of people.

 

[doppelganger]

In other words. All people of the earth.

Pretty much. Though the intensity of it varies from person to person. The worst invariably end up in charge of the armies though.

 

[sandandfoam]

Tru dat! Really it's about survival. I can only try to ensure my own first then my immediate families and I think everyone else thinks the same about theirs which is why they try to instill what they believe is right to try to ensure their existence will last longer.

This seems to me to be a very American way of viewing the world. Would you agree?

 

[ninerbuff]

Where have all the hippies gone?

I bet if everyone were allowed to get stoned everyday there would be a much higher chance of peace!!!

 

[sandandfoam]

I bet if everyone were allowed to get stoned everyday there would be a much higher chance of peace!!!

Now you're talking

 

[unique75]

Ego, power, statis, bias all play a part for people on the top. Even religion has that problem. The very top people make decisions in which they see fit to continue the "spreading of the word" and further help "their" cause and not necessarily yours. Same with CEO's, business people, companies, etc.


I agree, and don't forget, Greed!

 

[ninerbuff]

This seems to me to be a very American way of viewing the world. Would you agree?

I don't think so. Go anywhere in the world and I'm more than sure that everyone is doing the same for themselves and family.

 

[sandandfoam]

I don't think so. Go anywhere in the world and I'm more than sure that everyone is doing the same for themselves and family.

I don't agree. I think this idea that life is a battleground and that fighting is intrinsic to humanity is a cultural one.

What about all the Quakers, Amish etc in your own country?

There are peace movements everywhere.

This 'natural order of things' was overthrown by the suffragettes in their time. (Admittedly the work is not fully complete) I see no good reason why the peace movement cannot eventually do the same.

 

[ninerbuff]

I don't agree. I think this idea that life is a battleground and that fighting is intrinsic to humanity is a cultural one.

What about all the Quakers, Amish etc in your own country?

There are peace movements everywhere.

This 'natural order of things' was overthrown by the suffragettes in their time. (Admittedly the work is not fully complete) I see no good reason why the peace movement cannot eventually do the same.

There are peace movements everywhere in the world, but someone(s) lead them. And again we're back to the ego, greed, power, etc. struggle that usually obstructs trying to meet whatever agenda they are trying to achieve.
I would think that if everyone wanted to be peaceful, we would have some semblance of it after 2,000 years. Right now the definition of peace is "no war". That doesn't mean that people are at peace.

 

[Caladan]

Pretty much. Though the intensity of it varies from person to person. The worst invariably end up in charge of the armies though.

I disagree. some of the most renown men who led armies and also brought military solutions to long aged political problems and realities, were also some of the best men the world has known, by historical account and repute at least. a prime example would be Saladin the Kurdish leader of the Ayyubid dynasty who liberated city after city in the holy land from Crusader rule. other examples include Erwin Rommel and his honourable way of leading one of the finest fighting forces in the world, while maintaining the highest standard of military morality and serving for the darkest regime in human history, the Third Reich.
Both of these men were master strategists of desert warfare.

 

[MathewJames]

I don't think so. Go anywhere in the world and I'm more than sure that everyone is doing the same for themselves and family.

Very true. The next power move may not be with armies. China is accumulating so much cash right now that they kick their surplus cash into side investments. Those side investments is the US debt. The US will become/already is a cash slave to China. The cord is slowly being pulled in and the US will soon be a puppet on a cord held by China. The dragon will win in the end. What kind of future do you think that will bring about.