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Why we believe or don't believe....

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
I'm happy to hear that, Hope. If I have a goal or purpose to being on these forums, it would not be to 'convert' everyone to my beliefs, but to get them to question their own. I think that people should believe what they believe because they genuinely think it to be true, and have become familiar with it through study, not because it's how they were raised, or what they were told--or even worse, because they are too afraid to venture out and look around.

Even if that looking around consists of simply popping your head outside and saying "Yup, that's what I thought", before going back in. Questions don't have to mean change, only understanding and contentment.
 

Hope

Princesinha
Ceridwen018 said:
I think that people should believe what they believe because they genuinely think it to be true, and have become familiar with it through study, not because it's how they were raised, or what they were told--or even worse, because they are too afraid to venture out and look around.

Even if that looking around consists of simply popping your head outside and saying "Yup, that's what I thought", before going back in. Questions don't have to mean change, only understanding and contentment.

I couldn't have said it any better. :cool:
 
Hope-- Great posts. I really look forward to reading your posts on this forum now. I admire your spirit and your honesty :)

What specifically lead me to atheism? Well, it wasn't really any one thing specifically...it was a combination of a bunch of ideas that eventually came together, and it was sort of an evolution of understanding...short story: I went from theist, to deist, to pantheist, to sort of agnostic, to atheist. Basically, I thought a lot about what God is, and who He is, and my understanding of God eventually led me to beleive God exists solely as an idea in the minds of human beings...and I realized that belief is atheistic. Look in the Alternative Beliefs Forum, in the Atheism subforum, in some of those threads I talk about how I came to my current views.
 

Hope

Princesinha
Thank you, Mr. Spinkles! :)

I checked out the Atheism sub-forum, Mr.Spinkles, and read not only your story, but everyone elses. Very, very interesting! One thing I noticed most of you had in common, and someone on the forum pointed out, was how overexposure to 'religion' when young led to much questioning later on. Believe it or not, I can relate to your stories in many ways. The only difference, being of course, that I am not atheist. I personally believe (and I may get attacked by other Christians for saying this, but oh well) that it is largely due to 'Christianity'--the organized religion as it is called--that so many no longer believe. 'We' are to blame in many, many ways.

I seem to like starting posts when I cannot finish them--I gotta go. But I'll finish later my stream of thoughts here! There's a lot I want to say.....
 

Hope

Princesinha
Ok, well, here goes. As I've explained in other posts, I grew up in a Christian home. I went to the same church most of my life. It was all I knew for the longest time. My parents were very, very strict. I was homeschooled too--I had an extremely sheltered existence growing up. But once I graduated from high school, got a job, and actually had some independence for the first time in my life, my eyes were opened, so to speak. My perspective totally changed. One thing that really took me by surprise was how many nice people there were in the world, who weren't necessarily Christians! Just goes to show how sheltered I was. I had experienced so many hurts from other Christians, and had never felt as if I really belonged at the church I went to--there were a lot of cliques, and I was always on the outside--so to be accepted by non-Christians when I had been rejected by so many Christians was extremely refreshing. Even today, I have far more non-Christian friends and acquaintances than Christian ones.

Anyway, so that really caught me by surprise. Fortunately, I am no longer going to the church I grew up in--our whole family left the church about 4 years ago. But, sadly enough, there have been similar patterns of experience with many in my family--most of my brothers and sisters have also been used and hurt by other Christians, and have either totally turned their back towards organized Christianity, or are still seeking for answers. I myself do not go to church much, and even went through a period when I wanted nothing to do with 'Christianity'. But, now, though I am still very disillusioned with the 'organization' known as Christianity, I have decided to really examine my own beliefs, and to concentrate on my own walk with God, instead of basing everything I believe on simply because 'so-and-so' said so. I am sick and tired of 'religion.' Do this, don't do this, yada, yada, yada. I think we Christians are mainly to blame for turning our own beliefs into a dull, stale, and often grumpy 'religion.' It was never meant to be that way.

So I can totally understand that if one has had bad experiences with organized religion, specifically Christianity, that it's very easy to turn away from it. Fortunately for me, even though on the whole I have not liked a lot of what I've seen in Christianity today, I know just enough Christians that have convinced me that genuine, Christ-like Christians do exist. They seem to be few and far between in my experience--but they are out there, and they are some amazing people. They are honest, transparent, humble, loving, authentic, and accepting. It's these people who have helped to inspire me to continue to walk in faith, despite all the ways I've been wronged and hurt by the majority of Christians.

So, anyway, that's about it I guess!
 
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Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
Jeez Hope! It sounds like you and your family belonged to the Church from Hell, if that's not too oxymoronic, lol.
 

Hope

Princesinha
Lol!

Well, I wouldn't say it was quite that bad, but now that I am out of it, and can look back with a broader perspective, I realize just how narrow-minded and exclusive most of the people were who went there. My father has even admitted how his 'spiritual' views have changed since leaving that church. Basically, I was taught growing up that denominational churches, and practically every other church that wasn't like ours, were somehow 'wrong.' And non-Christians? Well, we rarely associated with 'those'! How sad.......
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Hope writes: I am by nature a pessimistic person, and have also been through some pretty difficult stuff in my life.

These are called challenges.

Hope writes: These factors may be one or more of the following: personality, life experiences, upbringing, education, and social/economic status. There are probably more, only I cannot think of any more off the top of my head.
You are CORRECT in stating that there are a lot more aspects which is why I believe if and when GOD interacts with us GOD takes these things into consideration. GOD does not deal with individuals as a society but personally, individually because GOD understands that everyONE is different.

Hope writes: But I wonder, if I was by nature a happier, more positive person, and hadn't gone through all that difficult stuff, would I still believe in God? Would I feel any need or desire to?


GOD would exist with or without your belief. There are many people that do not acknowledge GOD and live happy/prosperous or miserable/sad lives. GOD understands that some people may not want to get to K(NOW) him and GOD is fine with that. But GOD is also there if you desire assistance.

 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
For me, it was reading Joseph Campbells' four volumes, The Masks of God, that washed me clean of any belief in the Judeo-Christian God. At times, I still think there might be a deity of some sort hanging around the universe, but most of the time I think that even if there is, it hardly matters.

Like many other people who are now atheists or agnostics, I was pretty religious when I was young.
 
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