Why we know that there was no global flood.

[gnostic]

We know from evidences - meteorological, geological, archaeological and scientifically - there were no “global flood”, as described in Genesis - covering the Earth and the “highest mountains”.

But the claim of Genesis Flood being a local flood, or even regional flood, are just absurd...

...absurd as in downright “illogical”.

For instance, if the Flood was only localised or regional, there would be no reason built the ark that large, or gathered so many animals.

And it took Noah and family 100 years - from the revelation that this deluge and instructions to build the Ark (Genesis 6 & 7), before he boarded the Ark with family animals.

So if it would take 100 years to build the ark, and he had been warned by God himself that it would occur, and if the Flood were local or regional, not global, then Noah would know when and where the flood will happen (him being a “prophet” and all).

Then wouldn’t it make more sense (if the Flood is only regional), to simply move out from the dangerous region, go elsewhere or to higher ground?????

He would have 100 years to move his family and animals out of harms way, rebuild his home in a safer location. Him being a prophet and with god on his side, Noah had all the advantages there would be no need to build such a larger vessel. The ark would be overkill for a local or regional flood.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Exactly. MYTH, as used and as understood today, is any story outside our story that is not our story, was first introduced into the cultural consciousness by RELIGION!!!!!. So I find the whole thing unaware of even that simple fact. If we are talking about people that unaware, then we are just talking to a creationist, who doesn't have Jesus. One is a doppelganger of the other. it's like two arguing hermit crabs arguing in a tidal pool totally convinced they understand anything beyond the tidal pool totally defining what they know by what they both reference, which is the tidal pool and that's it. talking hermit crabs that's it.

Please note that just because we know that the Noah's Ark story is a myth that does not necessarily mean that most of the Jesus story is mythical, but you seem to sense that deep down inside. And please, enough with accusing others of not being aware. You can't substantiate your religious beliefs at all and all you can do is to attack others when your beliefs are shown to be wrong. Don't worry, lots of Christians do that. The weak in faith have a huge problem accepting reality.

Do you want to get back to the topic of the thread? Or do you simply want to keep making your faith look weak and impotent?

 

[David T]

Please note that just because we know that the Noah's Ark story is a myth that does not necessarily mean that most of the Jesus story is mythical, but you seem to sense that deep down inside. And please, enough with accusing others of not being aware. You can't substantiate your religious beliefs at all and all you can do is to attack others when your beliefs are shown to be wrong. Don't worry, lots of Christians do that. The weak in faith have a huge problem accepting reality.

Do you want to get back to the topic of the thread? Or do you simply want to keep making your faith look weak and impotent?

She is so hot!!! Never mind you won't get the intent never have never will.
Does religion become the waste station to excuse cluelessness? Does fantasy develop in religion into orthodoxy, doctrine etc like science,? Certainly atheism is attracted to religion like a fly to skunk cabbage. for that reason. I can't think of any other reason actually why atheism even ,Exists!!! Then again I can't think of a good reason, belief exists other than being an excuse as well.

 

[Subduction Zone]

She is so hot!!! Never mind you won't get the intent never have never will.
Does religion become the waste station to excuse cluelessness? Does fantasy develop in religion into orthodoxy, doctrine etc like science,? Certainly atheism is attracted to religion like a fly to skunk cabbage. for that reason. I can't think of any other reason actually why atheism even ,Exists!!! Then again I can't think of a good reason, belief exists other than being an excuse as well.
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Please, don't be ridiculous. I understand your false beliefs far better than you ever will. Enough with the personal attacks. Let's get back to the topic of the thread.

Tell me, why are you so afraid of reality? Is your faith that weak that you have to hide your head from it? Most Christians worldwide no better than to insist that Genesis be read literally. They don't want to make their religion look bad. You seem to have no problem insulting Christianity.

 

[Lyndon]

Well you certainly haven't presented a good case for non belief being taken seriously.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well you certainly haven't presented a good case for non belief being taken seriously.

Actually I have. Once again when you don't understand something the proper action to take is to ask questions. For someone that complains about personal attacks you sure do make a lot of them.

At any rate are you still running away from your myth or are you ready to defend it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Since some of the theists here do not seem to understand what a rational belief is it looks like I will have to try to help them.

To start with the burden of proof is always upon the person making a positive assertion. Atheism is simply a lack of belief due to the fact that insufficient evidence has been presented for a rational belief in a god. The lack of belief is the null hypothesis for just about everything. Since the theists have utterly failed to make their case there is no more reason to believe in their gods than their is reason to believe in fairies or the Easter Bunny. Trying to claim that I have made poor case for my disbelief is not only false. It is an attempt to shift the burden of proof. People that know that they are wrong quite often use that strategy.

I have never claimed that there is no god in this thread. What I have claimed is that I can show that the flood of Noah never happened. Of course since there are countless different interpretations of the flood myth I need believers to tell me what their personal interpretation of that myth they follow. So far the only version offered was that of a flood caused by the melting of glaciers from the last glaciation. That has been thoroughly refuted. The believers instead of addressing this fact run away from their claims.


I am now waiting to see if any believers will defend their beliefs or if they will simply continue to run away.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Even if we were to somehow ignore geological, anthropological, biological and other such evidences that render a global flood completely impossible and accept that the entire earth was somehow underwater at some point, there is still the issue that all the animals would not fit on the ark and that even if they could the vessel would sink in even the mildest of currents

 

[Thief]

Since some of the theists here do not seem to understand what a rational belief is it looks like I will have to try to help them.

To start with the burden of proof is always upon the person making a positive assertion. Atheism is simply a lack of belief due to the fact that insufficient evidence has been presented for a rational belief in a god. The lack of belief is the null hypothesis for just about everything. Since the theists have utterly failed to make their case there is no more reason to believe in their gods than their is reason to believe in fairies or the Easter Bunny. Trying to claim that I have made poor case for my disbelief is not only false. It is an attempt to shift the burden of proof. People that know that they are wrong quite often use that strategy.

I have never claimed that there is no god in this thread. What I have claimed is that I can show that the flood of Noah never happened. Of course since there are countless different interpretations of the flood myth I need believers to tell me what their personal interpretation of that myth they follow. So far the only version offered was that of a flood caused by the melting of glaciers from the last glaciation. That has been thoroughly refuted. The believers instead of addressing this fact run away from their claims.


I am now waiting to see if any believers will defend their beliefs or if they will simply continue to run away.

so your lack of faith.....is not a positive?

and you don't...positively.... believe there is no God?

 

[Thief]

I've that someone built was is supposedly a construction of the ark
anyone got photos?

 

[Thief]

Exactly. MYTH, as used and as understood today, is any story outside our story that is not our story, was first introduced into the cultural consciousness by RELIGION!!!!!. So I find the whole thing unaware of even that simple fact. If we are talking about people that unaware, then we are just talking to a creationist, who doesn't have Jesus. One is a doppelganger of the other. it's like two arguing hermit crabs arguing in a tidal pool totally convinced they understand anything beyond the tidal pool totally defining what they know by what they both reference, which is the tidal pool and that's it. talking hermit crabs that's it.

go back to Genesis Chapter Two....

then picture yourself at a campfire listening to the words

afterward ask yourself.....how ?could anyone believe a man could be cut open
a rib removed
and he not die

and he SLEPT through it all!!!!!!!

but we know how.....don't we?

 

[Subduction Zone]

so your lack of faith.....is not a positive?

and you don't...positively.... believe there is no God?

My lack of faith is a positive. And on the god question I am open. Show me some reliable evidence and I will change my mind. Since my lack of belief is based upon a lack of evidence it is only logical that I would believe if given evidence.

Ask yourself, what would it take for you to believe in fairies or leprechauns? The odds are that you do not believe in those because there is no evidence for them. The same sort of evidence that would make you accept them should be enough for me to accept your god.

 

[Thief]

My lack of faith is a positive. And on the god question I am open. Show me some reliable evidence and I will change my mind. Since my lack of belief is based upon a lack of evidence it is only logical that I would believe if given evidence.

Ask yourself, what would it take for you to believe in fairies or leprechauns? The odds are that you do not believe in those because there is no evidence for them. The same sort of evidence that would make you accept them should be enough for me to accept your god.

there will never be evidence

no photo, no fingerprint, no equation and no repeatable experiment

positively .....NOT!

all you CAN do is think about it

 

[Subduction Zone]

go back to Genesis Chapter Two....

then picture yourself at a campfire listening to the words

afterward ask yourself.....how ?could anyone believe a man could be cut open
a rib removed
and he not die

and he SLEPT through it all!!!!!!!

but we know how.....don't we?

That we now know how to remove a rib from someone does not help you. What your myth proposes for the beginning of the human race would make form such a severe founders effect that we would still see it even if that happened one million years ago, And that is before man evolved. There are multiple lines of evidence that tell us your stories are a myth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

there will never be evidence

no photo, no fingerprint, no equation and no repeatable experiment

positively .....NOT!

all you CAN do is think about it

You do not understand the nature of evidence when you make that claim. The only way that it would leave no evidence is if it never happened.

 

[Thief]

That we now know how to remove a rib from someone does not help you. What your myth proposes for the beginning of the human race would make form such a severe founders effect that we would still see it even if that happened one million years ago, And that is before man evolved. There are multiple lines of evidence that tell us your stories are a myth.

the very existence of the story .....leans to a 'positive' consideration

 

[Apologes]

A prime example of how religious claims can be disproved by science.

 

[Thief]

You do not understand the nature of evidence when you make that claim. The only way that it would leave no evidence is if it never happened.

thought problems require ...thought

especially when thinking is all you CAN do

 

[Thief]

A prime example of how religious claims can be disproved by science.

and many scientists believe in God

go figure

 

[Subduction Zone]

the very existence of the story .....leans to a 'positive' consideration

Nope, especially when so many aspects of it are impossible. The ark story fails when investigated by all of the sciences, form an engineering point of view, from a historical point of view, even from a mythical point of view.

Why should there be a "positive" consideration at all?