Akivah
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We're moving far afield from your OP. We could debate about the precise population ad nauseum, but it isn't relevant. The point is that G-d revealed Himself to the entire nation of Israel, not just through a text.
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why would God reveal himself in texts?
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We're moving far afield from your OP. We could debate about the precise population ad nauseum, but it isn't relevant. The point is that G-d revealed Himself to the entire nation of Israel, not just through a text.
outhouse
Atheistically
You dont have any evidence to change the academic position taught worldwide as common knowledge.
All because of your personal bias and faith.
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cambridge79
Active Member
except you can't say that happened if you can't say exodus happened. At least the supposed sacred text we can deny their divine inspiration but we can't deny their existence.
exodus in the absence of evidences is just a matter of faith, therefore same can be said about the supposed revelation you're talking about
Tomorrows_Child
Active Member
Revelation had always been verbal, it was written down so that it could be kept, hopefully preserved and then transported after the passing of the particular Messenger of God at the time.
Hope that helps.
outhouse
Atheistically
And its so much more.
Besides no evidence at all for the apologetic pseudohistory in text. We have a mountain of factual evidence the origins of these multicultural people was for the most part Canaanite in origin.
Jedster
Flying through space
When C++ came out, we(in the programming community) treated Bjarne Stroustrup, almost as a god and his original text like a scripture.
Same with the creators of C. (Both great teaching languages, btw)
I don't believe the Bible says Jonah was in the large fish for a week; rather for three days. And Jonah himself acknowledged it was Jehovah who brought him through the ordeal alive. (Jonah 2:5,6)
I believe such evidence does exist, and that many archeologists have been looking for it in the wrong time period. The Israelites left Egypt in 1513 BCE, IMO.
cambridge79
Active Member
cambridge79
Active Member
actually there was an israeli founded large expediction back in the days and it was cancelled because it was actually backfiring since archeologist weren't able to find a single thing, and they were following bibilical accounts since they were trying to veryfy those.
outhouse
Atheistically
You don't have a dog in this argument.
Nor anything credible to bring to the table. Your faith means nothing in a historical discussion.
There is no debate proto Israelites evolved for the most part from displaced Canaanites after the bronze age collapse.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Of course it happened. National revelation CAN'T be faked.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
It is.
How many reports of this national revelation do you actually have ? When were they written ?
Akivah
Well-Known Member
The Torah.
cambridge79
Active Member
So you can Fake Jesus, you can fake Muhammad and the kuran but you can't fake national revelation?
You can fake everything even in modern times if you have the will and the skill.
North Korea they think the dear leader is sent from heaven.
Medjugorje is a fake and million of people all around the world are falling for it.
Japan, until ww2 they tought the emperor was a god
Greece and Argentina, they tought their economy was good till the day they woke up and found themselves pennyless.
now imagine what can you make people believe in a time when you are a King, you claim to derive your authority from god,, the only source of information is actually you, and people can't even read.
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Koldo
Outstanding Member
Only one report ? Why do you believe a single report couldn't have been faked ?
outhouse
Atheistically
Yes it can and it was.
How can people who were multi cultural and divided in a large geographic location who were mowed down multiple times in war, even know their real origins?
The exodus is a factual myth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
The Exodus (from Greek ἔξοδος exodos, "going out") is the founding, or etiological, myth of Israel
outhouse
Atheistically
Not a credible history book, nor was intended to be.
The exodus is a theological piece, not a historical one.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Just thinking..... if I -along with a large group -experienced some stuff of biblical proportions.... and we thought it would be a good idea to write about it...
who in the future would have 'personal bias', unfounded 'faith', etc... -the one who disbelieved because there was no direct evidence -or the one who believed because they had indirect evidence?
outhouse
Atheistically
Non sequitur
We know mythology when we see it and when evidence shows it is mythology. People that determine this actual have REAL educations on the topic, and much is such a certainty it is not up for debate by people who have no education at all on the topic
