Wikileaks Founder Jailed in London!

[angellous_evangellous]

Check it out -

British Judge Denies Bail For WikiLeaks Founder : NPR

I wonder why the heck he left his safe haven. Maybe he wants to be a martyr.

He's in London, so the USA will have little trouble getting their hands on him, not to mention all the other countries who have extradition agreements with the UK.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I wonder if he will launch his "poison pill."

 

[Revoltingest]

Thank heavens! The worldwide manhunt is over for the man with the defective condom.
If only the international community devoted so much attention to capturing Bin Laden, but Assange has far more enemies.
It appears that Wikileaks will survive his incarceration quite nicely....so cockroaches, beware the glare!

 

[linwood]

Check it out -

British Judge Denies Bail For WikiLeaks Founder : NPR

I wonder why the heck he left his safe haven. Maybe he wants to be a martyr.

He's in London, so the USA will have little trouble getting their hands on him, not to mention all the other countries who have extradition agreements with the UK.

Exactly what crime would the US extradite him for?

The warrant for him issued by Sweden seems a bit trumped up to begin with.
Considering the warrant Interpol has out on him is based on the Swedish warrant I don`t see what the point is other than to harass him.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Exactly what crime would the US extradite him for?

The warrant for him issued by Sweden seems a bit trumped up to begin with.
Considering the warrant Interpol has out on him is based on the Swedish warrant I don`t see what the point is other than to harass him.

He's wanted in the US for leaking sensative information. I don't know the specific code number.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Exactly what crime would the US extradite him for?

The warrant for him issued by Sweden seems a bit trumped up to begin with.
Considering the warrant Interpol has out on him is based on the Swedish warrant I don`t see what the point is other than to harass him.

That is abundantly obvious.

Basically, IMHO, he's a political prisoner.

 

[linwood]

He's wanted in the US for leaking sensative information. I don't know the specific code number.

I believe the law they are trying to resurrect is an ancient relic concerning traitorous espionage that has failed to hold up the few times it has been used against a US citizen.
I seriously don`t see how it even applies to an Australian citizen.

 

[Bismillah]

Will Assange be commemorated in Norway during the ceromonies alongside Liu or do Western governments urge greater transparency among contending nations only?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I seriously don`t see how it even applies to an Australian citizen.

I agree. I don't think that they could do anything but pressure other countries to hold him, assasinate him, or convince Australia to convict him.

The problem is he's a threat if he has access to the internet, and you can get that in prison.

 

[tumbleweed41]

So let me get this straight.

Roman Polanski pleads guilty to statutory rape, and flees to France to escape jail time. At no time does France attempt to arrest or extradite Polanski.

Assange is wanted for questioning about consensual sex involving a broken condom. He turns himself in in Britain and is held without bail pending an extradition trial.

Maybe if Polanski made a film based on the Leaks, he would get more attention from US authorities...

 

[Revoltingest]

Obama sure is applying some pressure....PayPal, VISA, Mastercard, Amazon, Sweden, Britain.
It's amazing to see how much quasi-legal power can be brought to bear when they're motivated.
Woe unto the rest of us when they decide to more broadly apply these tools.
And people thought Bush was the enemy of civil liberties!

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Obama sure is applying some pressure....PayPal, VISA, Mastercard, Amazon, Sweden, Britain.
It's amazing to see how much quasi-legal power can be brought to bear when they're motivated.

He should give Cheney a call.

 

[Revoltingest]

He should give Cheney a call.

What makes you think he didn't?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

What makes you think he didn't?

Because I haven't been called yet.

 

[Alceste]

He's wanted in the US for leaking sensative information. I don't know the specific code number.

There isn't one. What he does is not illegal. The Peace Laureate - who quite brazenly campaigned on a platform of protecting whistle-blowers only to immediately implement the worst crackdown on whistle blowers in the US in living memory - is having his message carriers reference the Espionage Act of 1917. If that doesn't cut it, they will probably make up a new law and apply it retroactively (yes, that really has been proposed.)

It's kind of funny, really: this act makes it a crime to interfere with US military action or recruitment in any way.

But it's a moot point. It's Sweden that wants him on incorrect condom use charges. Apparently consensual sex without a condom is "rape" over there.

The UK is not likely to extradite him to the US without any legal justification, especially when he was arrested on a Swedish warrant. More likely they'll ship him to Sweden (after a lengthy court battle), and Sweden will ship him to the US (after a lengthy court battle) if and when they make up a law to justify it.

This is all going to get extremely boring.

 

[Father Heathen]

Rights, freedom and justice are but an illusion when you oppose the ruling elite.

 

[Alceste]

Obama sure is applying some pressure....PayPal, VISA, Mastercard, Amazon, Sweden, Britain.
It's amazing to see how much quasi-legal power can be brought to bear when they're motivated.
Woe unto the rest of us when they decide to more broadly apply these tools.
And people thought Bush was the enemy of civil liberties!

True enough. OTOH, the resulting hack attacks by Anonymous have brought down PayPal, Visa, Mastercard and the Swiss bank that illegally froze WikiLeaks' assets. On top of that, Visa, Mastercard and PayPal are being sued. Their haste to toady to the will of Joe Lieberman is going to cost them bazillions, and that makes me happy.

Also, the entire Wikileaks archive can now be downloaded by anyone, so trying to suppress the site has in fact caused it to multiply all over the interwebs.

 

[monta]

But it's a moot point. It's Sweden that wants him on incorrect condom use charges. Apparently consensual sex without a condom is "rape" over there.

It does look like they are trying to railroad him, however it is disingenuous to say that Swedish law says consensual sex without a condom is rape, what they actually claim is that if you consent to have sex with a condom and the sex is without a condom this is rape. I have no problem whatsoever with this interpretation of rape.

I do have a problem using a trumped up charges, however I'm not privy to the the details of the charges, it looks suspect to me, but we have no way of knowing if these women are being used by someone or if the charges are true.

While I am inclined towards disbelief, if it is he wouldn't be the first crusader who was deeply flawed personally. If the sex charge is dropped but leads to extradition or other charges I will be convinced that what my gut is telling me is true, at the moment I'm trying to keep an open mind on it.

 

[Alceste]

It does look like they are trying to railroad him, however it is disingenuous to say that Swedish law says consensual sex without a condom is rape, what they actually claim is that if you consent to have sex with a condom and the sex is without a condom this is rape. I have no problem whatsoever with this interpretation of rape.

Seriously, I don't care to get into the niggly details of his personal life. There was no force or violence involved and no allegations of force or violence. The women he slept with were eager and willing and above the age of consent.

To call every little disagreement about the exact mechanics of how to go about your consensual sexual encounter "rape" severely devalues the meaning of the word. If these women didn't want to have sex without a condom, they should have and could have simply walked away when he expressed distaste for using them.

I do have a problem using a trumped up charges, however I'm not privy to the the details of the charges, it looks suspect to me, but we have no way of knowing if these women are being used by someone or if the charges are true.

Nobody denies that consensual sex occurred with both "victims". What is at issue is the specific details of the encounters, which I have no interest in hearing about, to be honest. Why would that be any of my business, or anyone else's? The first prosecutor dropped the charges due to a lack of substance, only to be replaced by another prosecutor who overturned her decision. THAT, I find interesting. What exactly Assange gets up to in bed with his consenting partners, not so much.

While I am inclined towards disbelief, if it is he wouldn't be the first crusader who was deeply flawed personally. If the sex charge is dropped but leads to extradition or other charges I will be convinced that what my gut is telling me is true, at the moment I'm trying to keep an open mind on it.

Well, the aim of the campaign, according to a document leaked in March, is to discredit Wikileaks insiders through criminal prosecutions in order to erode the base of public trust which makes their system attractive to whistle blowers. Mission accomplished, I'd say. It probably doesn't matter much whether they manage to string him up as a rapist or a spy.

 

[Father Heathen]

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