Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
My dear jewish and christian friends of RF. Do u believe what bible says that disbelievers from muslims, atheists and polytheists will be roasted in hell?
Yes or no and why
Yes or no and why
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Will Atheists & Polyheists burn in Hell according to Bible?
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JustWondering
Jerk
I am not Christian anymore but Jesus taught that at least greedy wealth hoarders will go to hell.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of an needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven".
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of an needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven".
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Then what is the point for the coming of jesus pbuh and his alleged crucifixtion when u answer my question with NO.
U are just hiding the reality.
I will wait for christians who are brave enough to say non-christians will be cooked in hell.
Sees
Dragonslayer
Islam's writings actually go into detail on the torture with fire and boiling water...quite the read
Vishvavajra
Active Member
The idea of people burning in hell is post-Biblical. There are some places in the Bible where you can read that belief back onto the text and it almost seems to work, but it's not a belief that the authors of the Bible held. It developed over some time later, through oral myth.
I don't see a whole bunch of Christians rushing to say anyone will roast in hell.
My faith does not believe a hell exists, never did. Many Christian denominations do not teach the pagan hell.
I don't know much about the Quran but it seems as if the Quran is specific about there being a hell worse than the one
some fundamentalist Christains preach about.
I can't speak to the beliefs of islam.
I think it was pope Francis that said "hell" was an everlasting cutting off from god.
Hellfire and brimstone as a punishment for "sinners" is not real.
Pagan hell?
Lots of things get badly out of context when one doesn't undertand the bible.
There was a literal "needles eye" and camels did have a tough time getting thru ti but it could be done if the
camel could be made to walk on it's knees to enter.
Look it up if you like.
hell = grave, nothing more.
Look that up if you care to.
No. The Bible speaks much more about actions that separate you from God (i.e. hell, which can be said to be both a spiritual state and a place) than your beliefs.
Sounds like he's getting that from Jehovah's Witnesses.
Yes, The origins of a burning place of torment is pagan and has no place in the bible.
“The Greek word Hades is sometimes, but misleadingly, translated “hell” in English ..... In from:
Religion and Spirituality: Hell: Origins of an Idea
Anyone can google up hell and get at the truth.
"Hell" is neither a Hebrew or a Greek word (both Old and New Testaments were written in those languages), nor did it primarily indicate "a place of torment." Biblical translators actually derived it from a secular German word - spelled hel - meaning nothing more than concealed or covered. The concept of a demon regulated horror-house was indeed derived from that word, but it actually evolved from Teutonic mythology.
^^^^^from:
Merciful Truth : The Origin of Hell
I do believe the wrod hel was used by druids to scare hell outa illiterates. Probably hell came into use about 1300 years after the bible texts were writen.
Rev. Rob Bell in his book LOVE WINS goes into detail about why hell ain't there, shouldn't be in any Christian bible.
No. Not at all. I learned about hell when in College, a strict Christian college.
We wrote papers on how hell came to be wrongly put in the bible in the first place.
shawn001
Well-Known Member
Something was "wrongly put in the bible in the first place"?
There are things wrongly put in the Bible?
Sees
Dragonslayer
Not sure why they say "secular word" when Hel is both a divine being and a realm....in similar fashion as Hades which is from an Indo-Euro cousin culture. The demon horror house stuff is far off also.
Hel is not unlike Hades, both a Place and a Being. But the dead there are not tortured. They just are. It's a place of shadows & contentment, but not torture. The closest that the Germanics had to a torturous afterlife is Nastrond, and that's a place reserved for oath-breakers, cowards and the like, but one goes there regardless of belief, just as one goes to Valhalla regardless of what your faith was in life.
Thana
Lady
The point of Jesus coming is so that the Gentiles could know God, That we could gain Salvation.
Not so that all the non-believers or Polytheists could get oven roasted.
Also it's not bravery to think you have the right to judge people's relationship with God, It's arrogance.
If there is a hell then there is only one person who knows who goes there and it isn't you and it certainly isn't any Christian.
Sure. There are mistranslations and wrong words but much has been corrected in some versions of the bible.
It must be very difficult to translate ancient languages into modern languages and retain the ancient meaning.
Language is fluid and changes all the time. Daily sometimes.
Note the Lords Prayer posted here.
Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum;
Si þin nama gehalgod
to becume þin rice
gewurþe ðin willa
on eorðan swa swa on heofonum.
urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us todæg
and forgyf us ure gyltas
swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum
and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge
ac alys us of yfele
soþlice
From the 11th century I believe. Imagine trying to read a Bible printed in the 1400s?