Will Atheists & Polyheists burn in Hell according to Bible?

[Riverwolf]

I do believe the wrod hel was used by druids to scare hell outa illiterates.

Well that belief would be historically inaccurate, because the Druids were Celtic-speaking, not Germanic-speaking, and thus would not have used the word "Hel".

Indeed Hel was a divine being in the pagan world and worshiped. I don't know how hell got in the Quran.

I don't know of any archaeological evidence that Hel the Wight was ever worshiped. Could you provide such physical evidence?

 

[shawn001]

Sure. There are mistranslations and wrong words but much has been corrected in some versions of the bible.
It must be very difficult to translate ancient languages into modern languages and retain the ancient meaning.
Language is fluid and changes all the time. Daily sometimes.

Note the Lords Prayer posted here.

Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum;
Si þin nama gehalgod
to becume þin rice
gewurþe ðin willa
on eorðan swa swa on heofonum.
urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us todæg

and forgyf us ure gyltas
swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum
and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge
ac alys us of yfele
soþlice

From the 11th century I believe. Imagine trying to read a Bible printed in the 1400s?

I know exactly what your saying its just rare a JW would say it, it seems.

I highly recommend watching this from Bible scholars and archeology of what has been found and what has not been found.


The Bible's Buried Secrets
An archeological detective story traces the origins of the Hebrew Bible.

"In this landmark two-hour special, NOVA takes viewers on a scientific journey that began 3,000 years ago and continues today. The film presents the latest archeological scholarship from the Holy Land to explore the beginnings of modern religion and the origins of the Hebrew Bible, also known as the Old Testament. This archeological detective story tackles some of the biggest questions in biblical studies: Where did the ancient Israelites come from? Who wrote the Bible, when, and why? How did the worship of one God—the foundation of modern Judaism, Christianity, and Islam—emerge?"

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[JoStories]

My dear jewish and christian friends of RF. Do u believe what bible says that disbelievers from muslims, atheists and polytheists will be roasted in hell?

Yes or no and why

Absolutely not. I do not believe in hell. It's a concept made by men to browbeat people into a belief.

 

[JoStories]

I don't see a whole bunch of Christians rushing to say anyone will roast in hell.
My faith does not believe a hell exists, never did. Many Christian denominations do not teach the pagan hell.
I don't know much about the Quran but it seems as if the Quran is specific about there being a hell worse than the one
some fundamentalist Christains preach about.
I can't speak to the beliefs of islam.
I think it was pope Francis that said "hell" was an everlasting cutting off from god.
Hellfire and brimstone as a punishment for "sinners" is not real.

I disagree. I have had quite a few proselytizers coming to my door and when I tell them I am not Christian or more often, not a member of the Latter Day Saints, or Jehovah witnesses ( no offense) I am told I am going to hell to which I respond I don't believe in hell.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

No. Not at all. I learned about hell when in College, a strict Christian college.
We wrote papers on how hell came to be wrongly put in the bible in the first place.

How can bible be the words of God when something is wrongly put in bible??? What the hell?

 

[melk]

Yes, there are christians that believe in a burning and eternal hell. As there are christians that believe in other forms of hell. As there are christians that believe in a simple cessation of life for the wicked. As there are christians that believe in a future punishment, a purifying process, after which we wiil all join God.
The arguments favoring each of these different conclusions, are generally based on well fundamented interpretations of the Bible. However, there is a decisive point that leads the balance to the no-eternal hell side. The God we believe is defined in the Bible as love, ever expecting his fallen creatures to come back to His arms, as a submission to love.

 

[Augustus]

Islam's writings actually go into detail on the torture with fire and boiling water...quite the read

"Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment."

So it's actually a bit like an exfoliating scrub

 

[thau]

How can bible be the words of God when something is wrongly put in bible??? What the hell?

You would not know right from wrong in the Bible when discussing these more sublime ideas. Nor do you even know how Christianity may be properly spoken of or taught. Who told you the Bible is the be all and end of all of what Jesus Christ intended for man to know?

Also, how can you be so bold to try to pick away at Christian teachings and truths when you are so weak or unable to defend your own faith? Islam is absent when being asked to debate the truth. Absent when being asked to show empirical evidence for the god. Absent of miracles, saints, and charity towards those who do not believe as they do.

And you are pretty much out of touch on the subject of hell. When you say unbelievers of the Christian faith are destined for hell, you either lie or you are ignorant. IMO

 

[Jainarayan]

I am not Christian anymore but Jesus taught that at least greedy wealth hoarders will go to hell.

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of an needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven".

It doesn't necessarily mean they will go to Hell. They just won't get into Heaven. They could float around for all eternity.

 

[Jainarayan]

pagan hell.

Well! I never!

(actually I have but we won't tell anyone ).

Pagan hell?

I know... really!?

 

[Vishvavajra]

We should be cautious even in imagining that what Jesus means by "the Kingdom of Heaven" is what modern Christians typically mean. Virtually all of Christian eschatology was a later development.

All we can really say for sure is that, in Jesus's view, it is extremely difficult for rich people to experience the perfection of the world, which is his Gospel. if you also read Pauline soteriology into that, it means that such people will remain subject to death and will not be resurrected into a new kind of life. But that's not the same thing as heaven and hell in modern parlance.

 

[Jainarayan]

Hel is not unlike Hades, both a Place and a Being. But the dead there are not tortured. They just are. It's a place of shadows & contentment, but not torture. The closest that the Germanics had to a torturous afterlife is Nastrond, and that's a place reserved for oath-breakers, cowards and the like, but one goes there regardless of belief, just as one goes to Valhalla regardless of what your faith was in life.

I made reservations for Bilskirnir. The food and drink is stupid awesome. Not to mention the company... rowdy barroom brawling types, and a host who gets right in there.

 

[Jainarayan]

Indeed Hel was a divine being in the pagan world and worshiped. I don't know how hell got in the Quran.

Is, Hel is a divine being.

 

[jeager106]

Well that belief would be historically inaccurate, because the Druids were Celtic-speaking, not Germanic-speaking, and thus would not have used the word "Hel".



I don't know of any archaeological evidence that Hel the Wight was ever worshiped. Could you provide such physical evidence?

No I just echoed what I read here.

History of the English language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
he languages of Germanic peoples gave rise to the English language. The best known are the Angles, Saxons, Frisii, Jutes and possibly some people such as Franks, who traded, fought with and lived alongside the Latin-speaking peoples of the Roman Empire in the centuries-long process of the Germanic peoples' expansion into Western Europe during the Migration Period. Latin loan words such aswine, cup, and bishop entered the vocabulary of these Germanic peoples before their arrival in Britain and the subsequent formation of England.[1]

Hel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The modern English word Hell is derived from Old English hel, helle (about 725 AD to refer to a nether world of the dead) reaching into the Anglo-Saxon pagan period, and ultimately from Proto-Germanic*halja, meaning "one who covers up or hides something".[2] The word has cognates in related Germanic languages such as Old Frisianhelle, hille, Old Saxonhellja, Middle Dutchhelle (modern Dutch hel), Old High Germanhelle (Modern German Hölle), Danish, Norwegian and Swedishhelvede/helvete (hel + Old Norsevitti, "punishment" whence the Icelandicvíti "hell"), and Gothichalja.[2] Subsequently, the word was used to transfer a pagan concept to Christian theology and its vocabulary[2] (however, for the Judeo-Christian origin of the concept see Gehenna).

from:Hel (being) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Prose Edda details that Hel rules over vast mansions with many servants in her underworld realm and plays a key role in the attempted resurrection of the god Baldr.
In Norse mythology, Hel is a being who presides over a realm..... from:Hel (being) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The word hel & hell, worked it's way into the Bible. Constintine ordered literalry works formed into a book in 325 A.D.
Hel came into use around 725 a.d.
I could well be wrong about the Druids use of the word hell...needs further research.

 

[jeager106]

How can bible be the words of God when something is wrongly put in bible??? What the hell?

I know little about the Quran, only about the Christian bible.
Is the Quran inspired of Allah?
I think the bible we use is the inspired Word of God but mankind messed up the works by mistranslating ancient manuscripts.
It's not easy to translate ancient literary works into modern languages w/o loosing the meaning.
Is believing in hell required for followers of islam?
I don't know a lot about islam-the religion of peace.

 

[Vishvavajra]

The use of the word hell is actually a whole lot simpler than people here are making it out to be. It's simply the Germanic equivalent of Hades--i.e. an underworld realm where the dead go. So when these things got translated into English, they used their native word. The Greek Hades in the scriptures was itself a translation of the Semitic Sh'ol, which also referred to the underworld. It's simply a case of using different native words to refer to the same basic idea, no vast conspiracy required.

That underworld realm was originally not a place of torment, just a common destination for dead people generally. The idea of lakes of fire and stuff came about later. Sh'ol, Hades, and the Nordic Hel are all cold, dark, subterranean realms. The association with fire mostly comes from people's equating Hades with Gehinnom, a place where trash was burned, but that's not necessarily a legitimate connection in the texts, which refer to them separately and in different contexts.

 

[jeager106]

We should be cautious even in imagining that what Jesus means by "the Kingdom of Heaven" is what modern Christians typically mean. Virtually all of Christian eschatology was a later development.

All we can really say for sure is that, in Jesus's view, it is extremely difficult for rich people to experience the perfection of the world, which is his Gospel. if you also read Pauline soteriology into that, it means that such people will remain subject to death and will not be resurrected into a new kind of life. But that's not the same thing as heaven and hell in modern parlance.

Good points. I don't believe God created the earth as a place of potential paradise for His creations to go floating
off someplace else at death if one were judged a "good Christian".

 

[Vishvavajra]

Good points. I don't believe God created the earth as a place of potential paradise for His creations to go floating
off someplace else at death if one were judged a "good Christian".

I guess it's natural for people to read a phrase like "the Kingdom of Heaven" and imagine that it means folks are literally floating around in the sky. However, that would have been an alien concept to Jews in the 1st century CE (and to Jews now, for that matter).

The purpose of the Messiah was always supposed to be the perfection of the world. And the authors of the Christian scriptures don't dispute that. Indeed, they say it's already begun. They just argue that it doesn't mean what people were expecting at the time. That argument alone accounts for a huge portion of the NT's word count.

 

[jeager106]

I guess it's natural for people to read a phrase like "the Kingdom of Heaven" and imagine that it means folks are literally floating around in the sky. However, that would have been an alien concept to Jews in the 1st century CE (and to Jews now, for that matter).

The purpose of the Messiah was always supposed to be the perfection of the world. And the authors of the Christian scriptures don't dispute that. Indeed, they say it's already begun. They just argue that it doesn't mean what people were expecting at the time. That argument alone accounts for a huge portion of the NT's word count.

Yes I agree. When I attended Geneva Univeristy I learned a great deal of biblical truth from some fine
professors who wern't afraid to step on the toes of established false doctrine.
God didn't create this planet for humans to die and go floating off someplace else, either in heaven or hell.
The origianl commandment was to "sudue the earth and make it a paradise". That was never done and the bible when correctly understood strongly suggests that is still God's plan for His righteous followers.

 

[Iti oj]

According to the bible there is no hell