Will the Jewish people ever accept the Messiah?

[mindlight]

Your explanations are very vague. What part “of this prophecy” has been fulfilled? How is Jesus “demonstrably far greater than David even today”? The only thing I see greater is the nifty stories about Jesus.

Christs Kingdom includes more than 2 billion people. King David had what 10 mill max. Christ reach is global Davids was local. Christ is the King of Kings David was just a King.

 

[mindlight]

different suffixes make for two different words. Saying something is "simply" ignores how language works.

Actually it doesn't. In the former, it refers to being master of Pharao's household, and in the latter, it refers to God as "ha-adon" THE master with the definite article qualifying he root.

The quote which states that all vowel points are later, responsive innovations denies that Judaism was able to pronounce the texts and had a tradition of reading with precision well before the written record. But if you want to deny that because it both substantiates your claim and denigrates the entire existence of Jewish practice, go for it.

Neither of us speak Second Temple Hebrew. People 700 years after the temple fell and in exile had little idea also - so the unbeliever reinterpretations are the later redactions and often for the deliberate purpose of closing doors on Christ. The Jewish apostles and believers of the early church were clear on what these words meant and implied to the point they staked their lives on it.

 

[rosends]

Neither of us speak Second Temple Hebrew. People 700 years after the temple fell and in exile had little idea also - so the unbeliever reinterpretations are the later redactions and often for the deliberate purpose of closing doors on Christ. The Jewish apostles and believers of the early church were clear on what these words meant and implied to the point they staked their lives on it.

One of us READS second temple Hebrew. Every day. I don't think that that is you. People continued reading it from temple times, through 700 years ago, so the later codifications of what was being said are based on the writing down of what was commonly known. By Jews. The plaintive cries of the Christians who need other readings in order to substantiate their flawed theology were historically the first step towards staking OTHER people's lives because of it.

 

[Flankerl]

I think the first century Jewish apostles probably had a better grasp of second temple Hebrew and the scriptures than you do. As may well do a great many Messianic Jews living in and outside of Israel. Or Shall I trust 21st century Jewish ubelievers who after 2 millenia of entrenched hostility have developed a vested interest to refute any Christian interpretation of scripture and who have developed hermeneutical traditions to reinforce their denial of the plain meaning of scripture.

Ah yes 2 millennia of hostility, during which we Jews murdered untold numbers of peaceful Christians for no reason at all.

Oh wait it was the other way around.

Yeah yeah Christians know Hebrew better than Jews. Because Jesus. Cute and adorable.

Neither of us speak Second Temple Hebrew

Hahahahaha

 

[mindlight]

One of us READS second temple Hebrew. Every day. I don't think that that is you. People continued reading it from temple times, through 700 years ago, so the later codifications of what was being said are based on the writing down of what was commonly known. By Jews. The plaintive cries of the Christians who need other readings in order to substantiate their flawed theology were historically the first step towards staking OTHER people's lives because of it.

You are a part of a tradition which you cannot test is true but which you trust. But clearly other Hebrews who read the same scriptures and saw the same things that the Pharisees of long ago read and then passed on did have a very different interpretation. This comes down to whether a committment to a tradition can even cancel out a personal commitment to the Messiah Himself. The Pharisees did not recognise their Messiah because their traditions and their self importance were more important to them.

 

[rosends]

This comes down to whether a committment to a tradition can even cancel out a personal commitment to the Messiah Himself. The Pharisees did not recognise their Messiah because their traditions and their self importance were more important to them.

Actually, they rejected Jesus because he lacked the essentials required to be a messiah. I don't see you embracing the poster of the OP on this thread as a messiah. Why don't you? Is it because your traditions and self-importance are more important to you? Or maybe, just maybe, it is because you look and see that the person in question doesn't satisfy the requirements as you understand them. Or maybe you DO accept him. Your call.

 

[mindlight]

Ah yes 2 millennia of hostility, during which we Jews murdered untold numbers of peaceful Christians for no reason at all.

Oh wait it was the other way around.

That would be a reason for the bitterness in many Jews. Part of the repentance for the maltreatment of a people special to God, preserved by Him and with a future significance was the Christian compassion that permitted the formation of the state of Israel. Many Christians died fighting against abominations like the Nazis.

Yeah yeah Christians know Hebrew better than Jews. Because Jesus. Cute and adorable.

Hahahahaha

Most do not but those in whom we trust did. Your traditions and even a changed language entrench hostility.

 

[Flankerl]

That would be a reason for the bitterness in many Jews. Part of the repentance for the maltreatment of a people special to God, preserved by Him and with a future significance was the Christian compassion that permitted the formation of the state of Israel. Many Christians died fighting against abominations like the Nazis.

Stop right there. Allied and Soviet investment in the war had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Shoah. Nothing at all. The liberations of the Camps were something that happened due to the progression of the fronts. Not because people wanted to save Jews.

So Christians murder us for almost 2000 years and then its our fault for not accepting their Religion. Absolutely disgusting Religion.


We don't even ask for much, just leave us alone and keep your Greco-Roman Religion to yourself. If that is not possible for you will have to endure that you are mocked by those who you annoy.

Most do not but those in whom we trust did. Your traditions and even a changed language entrench hostility.

Most Jews did not accept your Jesus back then. By your logic those obviously knew their Religion better. Oups.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Actually, they rejected Jesus because he lacked the essentials required to be a messiah. I don't see you embracing the poster of the OP on this thread as a messiah. Why don't you? Is it because your traditions and self-importance are more important to you? Or maybe, just maybe, it is because you look and see that the person in question doesn't satisfy the requirements as you understand them. Or maybe you DO accept him. Your call.

Lol life of Brian

 

[mindlight]

Actually, they rejected Jesus because he lacked the essentials required to be a messiah. I don't see you embracing the poster of the OP on this thread as a messiah. Why don't you? Is it because your traditions and self-importance are more important to you? Or maybe, just maybe, it is because you look and see that the person in question doesn't satisfy the requirements as you understand them. Or maybe you DO accept him. Your call.

There have always been false Messiahs and will be till the end. The last of these it is prophesised will rule the world for a season.

The essentials were there to understand Jesus in scripture but after centuries of prophetic silence the religious elites had started to trust their own political perceptions of what a Messiah should be. Indeed many looked for a revolutionary who would overthrow Roman rule in much the way that Judas Maccabeus overthrew the Greeks. The Messiah would be Maccabeus on steroids! But God has a habit of surprising us and overthrowing our worldliness. Christ was not born in a palace but a stable he carried not a sword but a hand of healing. A hand he extended even to Romans and Samaritans. He came to offer mercy and to show what his Kingdom was really about. He will return in glory and to Judge and when he does noone will be able to say that he does not have the right to judge them. Because he gave them every chance to change before He did.

I find Jesus far more attractive and indeed authoritative that a scowling Jewish zealot who blows up innocent strangers in hotels , to impose a political Kingdom that since its inception has not known peace.

 

[rosends]

There have always been false Messiahs and will be till the end. The last of these it is prophesised will rule the world for a season.

EXACTLY. So when he comes, and we are all ruled by him, then we'll know. I'm so glad you understand and reject the failure of 2000 years ago as non-messianic on its face.

. He will return in glory and to Judge and when he does noone will be able to say that he does not have the right to judge them. Because he gave them every chance to change before He did.

Oh, wait. Now you are claiming that even though he came and didn't do what was prophesied, he still matters because you give him another chance. That's weird.

I find Jesus far more attractive and indeed authoritative that a scowling Jewish zealot who blows up innocent strangers in hotels , to impose a political Kingdom that since its inception has not known peace.

well then, it is a good thing that no one who fits that description has claimed to be the messiah.

 

[RabbiO]

I think the first century Jewish apostles probably had a better grasp of second temple Hebrew and the scriptures than you do. As may well do a great many Messianic Jews living in and outside of Israel. Or Shall I trust 21st century Jewish ubelievers who after 2 millenia of entrenched hostility have developed a vested interest to refute any Christian interpretation of scripture and who have developed hermeneutical traditions to reinforce their denial of the plain meaning of scripture.

I, for one, am so glad that the face palm is back.

If you find that for you Christianity, as you understand it, it fulfills your spiritual needs, great.
If you find that for you Christianity, as you understand it, enables you to be a better person - kinder, more understanding, more compassionate, more loving - wonderful.

On the other hand...... If you find that for you Christianity, as you understand it, obligates you to denigrate Judaism and Jews and to shove your Christianity down Jewish throats, then I will tell you where you can shove your Christianity and it is somewhere darker and more unpleasant.

 

[metis]

Its not a stereotype to say that people are only saved by Christ. it is the suggestion of an abyss between the saved and unsaved which only Christ can bridge.

It is when you stereotype and judge people, so not only shouldn't we take your "theology" seriously, any reasonable approach should disdain your judging of people. I grew up Christian, eventually taught Christian theology when in my 40's and early 50's, but I never believed or taught such bigotry.

Believe what you want, but I disregard that trash, largely based on the fact that it makes not one iota of common sense. If that is your "god", I totally reject that genocidal maniac of a deity that destroys its own creation after supposedly making us what we are.

 

[roger1440]

Many Christians died fighting against abominations like the Nazis.

The United States had the draft at the time. Since about 75 percent of Americans are Christians, it goes without saying , "Many Christians died fighting against abominations like the Nazis".

 

[roger1440]

Christs Kingdom includes more than 2 billion people. King David had what 10 mill max. Christ reach is global Davids was local. Christ is the King of Kings David was just a King.

Of these " 2 billion people" how many of them met Jesus?

 

[RRex]

The Messiah knows exactly how God created Him. I can easily see you're not the Messiah.

If you want to hear the Messiah, then pay attention to everything that I write and speak for our Creator.

Wow, you think you're quite important.

Messianic Complex anyone?

 

[jeager106]

Wow, you think you're quite important.

Messianic Complex anyone?

Hey! Take it easy on him. Don't you know he is the voiceofgod?
(whooooo-boy!)

 

[RRex]

If you were chosen to know Me, then you will believe the knowledge that comes forth from Me.

I am laughing hysterically.

You are another bump in the road just like the rest of us.

 

[paarsurrey]

Post#237

Jesus met Elijah come from Heaven on the Mount of Transfiguration.
I believe Elijah will be one the 2 witnesses that will stand in Jerusalem before Christ returns.

That would be in a vision/dream, not physically and literally. Did Elijah appear in person and met the Jews in Jerusalem?
I don't think it ever happened. Please quote from the scripture.
Regards

 

[mindlight]

Post#237
That would be in a vision/dream, not physically and literally. Did Elijah appear in person and met the Jews in Jerusalem?
I don't think it ever happened. Please quote from the scripture.
Regards

2 Peter 1:16-17
16For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased