Will the United States still be a Democracy by 2100?

[Terrywoodenpic]

Already is a secular country. Religions are trying to change that. God on the money, god added to the pledge of allegiance. Prayer at government meetings. 10 commandments on public property. That's what is destroying everything this country was founded on.

It did not start as a secular society.
It is true it did not favour any particular religion.( for religion read brand of Christianity)
But non Christians were thought heathen, and generally nor considered at all in political thought.

There were many competing Christian faiths spread though out the colonies, who each in their own time had fled persecution elsewhere. It was this broad church including Christian Unitarians and a small number of Jews. and free thinkers. that led the constitution to be written the way it was.

the Christian faith was all but universal in the USA at that time.

The constitution never intended Christianity to be sidelined Only that none of its branches be favoured by Government.

The population at the time would have been scandalised to think that the constitution was other than a Christian Document. and that America was not a Christian country.

 

[tytlyf]

It did not start as a secular society.
It is true it did not favour any particular religion.( for religion read brand of Christianity)
But non Christians were thought heathen, and generally nor considered at all in political thought.

There were many competing Christian faiths spread though out the colonies, who each in their own time had fled persecution elsewhere. It was this broad church including Christian Unitarians and a small number of Jews. and free thinkers. that led the constitution to be written the way it was.

the Christian faith was all but universal in the USA at that time.

The constitution never intended Christianity to be sidelined Only that none of its branches be favoured by Government.

The population at the time would have been scandalised to think that the constitution was other than a Christian Document. and that America was not a Christian country.

America and it's constitution did indeed start with a secular starting point. At no point in history would it be scandalized to think the constitution was anything other than a christian document. The constitution is not a christian document. It's not an islamic document either. Remember, in the early days even the celebration of christmas was banned in certain areas.

 

[WalterTrull]

I vote for a benevolent dictatorship. Oh wait... that's what religi... Oh. I vote for a theocracy... but not YOUR theocracy.

 

[sun rise]

I vote for a benevolent dictatorship. Oh wait... that's what religi... Oh. I vote for a theocracy... but not YOUR theocracy.

I voted other. The rulers will be benevolent dictators but that will be enforced by a means I read in a science fiction story. Sensors will be implanted in the rulers bodies. If the people suffer, the ruler will suffer in direct proportion. If those implants were possible we would not care so much who was in office because they would feel pain when they inflicted pain.

 

[YmirGF]

I think it will remain a representational republic.

 

[Underhill]

I have no idea. I said it will remain as it is because people were claiming it was going to fail twenty minutes after the constitution was ratified and it's still going.

 

[Sanzbir]

It's currently a Republic. It may very well devolve into a Democracy in eighty years though.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

America and it's constitution did indeed start with a secular starting point. At no point in history would it be scandalized to think the constitution was anything other than a christian document. The constitution is not a christian document. It's not an islamic document either. Remember, in the early days even the celebration of christmas was banned in certain areas.

Christmas celebrations were banned in some states because some denominations banned it. It was not celebrated by puritans for a start. The states generally based their laws on the common law and the laws of the founding colonies. to a surprising extent local law has come right through to today.

The constitution was written to govern a 99% Christian country, by men of Christian descent. native Americans and the very few other "heathers" were not catered to at all.

It was not called a Christian document nor secular one any more than the laws were codified as such. It was jut a document like any other, written for and by a Christian people. In courts the Oath could only be taken on the Bible.

I know people like to think that America started as a purely secular society... but that is just in your dreams.

 

[Regolith Based Lifeforms]

Already officially recognized as an olgarchy. Defeated without even a shot being fired.

Collectively speaking, people will always get what they deserve.

No, the U.S. Is Not an Oligarchy ??
Since the rest of the articles claiming oligarchy are from 2 years prior....
I'm watching like a hawk and I AM afraid of oligarchy.

 

[osgart]

no it will be The Magesterium of Natural Science. they will conform us all or be euthanized. their committee will be The rulers of society, all in the name of progress.

 

[tytlyf]

Christmas celebrations were banned in some states because some denominations banned it. It was not celebrated by puritans for a start. The states generally based their laws on the common law and the laws of the founding colonies. to a surprising extent local law has come right through to today.

The constitution was written to govern a 99% Christian country, by men of Christian descent. native Americans and the very few other "heathers" were not catered to at all.

It was not called a Christian document nor secular one any more than the laws were codified as such. It was jut a document like any other, written for and by a Christian people. In courts the Oath could only be taken on the Bible.

I know people like to think that America started as a purely secular society... but that is just in your dreams.

The founding fathers who crafted America's founding were not christians. America was formed by secularists/deists. America was founded based on getting away from a theocracy and religious persecution.

 

[Valjean]

No, the U.S. Is Not an Oligarchy ??
Since the rest of the articles claiming oligarchy are from 2 years prior....
I'm watching like a hawk and I AM afraid of oligarchy.

A team team goes over the same data as the Princeton team and comes up with different results? Published in a neoliberal journal?
I'm skeptical.

 

[Regolith Based Lifeforms]

A team team goes over the same data as the Princeton team and comes up with different results? Published in a neoliberal journal?
I'm skeptical.

I was just presenting an opposing point of view from 2016 because all the other articles were from 2014.
What i really think:
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[Terrywoodenpic]

The founding fathers who crafted America's founding were not christians. America was formed by secularists/deists. America was founded based on getting away from a theocracy and religious persecution.

Believe what you like, yours is a belief shared with most other modern Americans.
However the states and territories were solidly Christian of many denominations.
Some of the intellectuals who sat down and wrote the constitution Like many such intellectuals in Europe at the time tended to Unitarian and deist ideas. But they were in the minority.

Prior to the revolution. On his visit to the UK, Benjamin Franklin attended services at the Unitarian churches in Ashford and at Tenterden in Kent and also in London.

The founders were a diverse group – their religious affiliations ran the gamut. Among the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, there were Baptists, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Quakers, Unitarians, Roman Catholics, and Universalists. Haym Salomon, a Jew, was an important financier of the Revolution, and people of a wide range of faiths fought in the Continental Army.

The founders were some extraordinary men; their views were liberal, even radical, for their time. And I use the word “men” advisedly here. When this country was founded, only white, property-owning males had any political voice at all. I would love to be able to talk about our founding men and women, or founding mothers and fathers, but the fact is that the influential voices at our founding all belonged to men. [/quote) from Faith of our Founding Fathers « Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Tuolumne County

It should be noted that only Unitarians existed at they time, Universalism as we know it today, was to come later.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I have no idea. I said it will remain as it is because people were claiming it was going to fail twenty minutes after the constitution was ratified and it's still going.

But not without amendments
27 so far including the 10 amendment "Bill of Rights"
future amendments could change it significantly.

 

[Underhill]

But not without amendments
27 so far including the 10 amendment "Bill of Rights"
future amendments could change it significantly.

I doubt it. Unless there is a massive shift in our political climate (and there is no sign of that) then any major change like that will never happen.

But I started out saying I don't know. A lot can happen in 83 years. 83 years ago we were finishing off the Nazi's in Europe. The Cold War hadn't begun in earnest and computers were barely doing simplistic calculations using archaic technology.

In 83 years we could have people on Mars (I hope) or have had WW3 and 4 (I hope not). The world could be completely different. I certainly hope it's a better world for my kids sake.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I doubt it. Unless there is a massive shift in our political climate (and there is no sign of that) then any major change like that will never happen.

But I started out saying I don't know. A lot can happen in 83 years. 83 years ago we were finishing off the Nazi's in Europe. The Cold War hadn't begun in earnest and computers were barely doing simplistic calculations using archaic technology.

In 83 years we could have people on Mars (I hope) or have had WW3 and 4 (I hope not). The world could be completely different. I certainly hope it's a better world for my kids sake.

People seem to have forgotten that the Great Britain has a Bill of rights, The Bill of Rights 1689 which was one of the inspirations of the American version. But ours only allowed arms for Protestant citizens.