His racism has been known for years. He's always whining about the "decline" of white people and "white culture". He's been doing it for years. He's anti-Semitic, as well.
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Will The West Survive?
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Well, of course!
This is a piece by Pat Buchanan, after all.
vaguelyhumanoid
Active Member
...aand here comes fascism to America, wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross just like they said. Hmm, why is an article about the decline of white populations being published in a gun magazine? What kind of connections is that asking us to draw?
esmith
Veteran Member
No, Ammoland is a non-political information source that deals with shooting, hunting and outdoor news for those that enjoy the finer things of life. Yes occasionally an article appears, as the one linked, that one might consider "political". I for myself find it an excellent source for my hobby of shooting (good review on optics for AR15's this week). Sorry you have an aversion to firearms, hunting and other outdoor paraphernalia and stoop to making comments about something you seem not to know anything about. Have a nice day..
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Guns are not the sum or entirely of outdoor paraphernalia. If I had to list things that are "outdoorsy" and even a very good idea to have when "out in nature," a compass, canteen, and good shoes rate way higher on my list than a gun.
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Frankly, I do believe in hunting and outdoor hobbies as morally ok. I have nothing against hunters even if they use guns as long as they consume enough of their hunts. They're probably more trained than average folks with the use of guns. I'm all about responsibility which I can see you are too from your posts. What I am against is biases which frankly, the article you posted does poorly to hide.
So concerning my comment on that pic... Explaining to me how a child holding a bomb on a older engine plane is about hunting and outdoor news? Explain to me what context that picture has to do with anything?
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Let me add that if that site wasn't a political site, then it shouldn't be posting any political articles. Once it does so, then it's fair game to be criticized for its political article(s).
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vaguelyhumanoid
Active Member
I don't see why they'd post an alarmist article about ethnic demographics in a shooting magazine unless the implication was that it's immigrant season. If I was a hunter or other gun hobbyist, I'd still be pretty disturbed to see an article like this in a "non-political" magazine - maybe moreso than I already am.
esmith
Veteran Member
First I do not know where you obtained the picture. Therefore to comment on it would be a fallacy without knowing how it was used.
What I gleaned from the article is that the past ethnic makeup of various countries is shrinking and the birthrate among other ethnic groups is increasing. Thus those countries will eventually be not recognizable in the makeup. I don't find it raciest just what is happening in the world.
The pic is on the front page.
Concerning populations... Isn't it all arbitrary unless one is seriously going to go extinct? Unless there's some power game concerning the actual numbers, then yeah, I say it's irrelevant.
esmith
Veteran Member
Must be a different front page that the article I linked and a different front page from ammoland.com please provide link where you saw it.
Do you agree that the birthrate among the more educated population worldwide is gong down and the birthrate among the uneducated/third world is going up?
Do you agree that in large number of Western countries that the ratio of the young to the old is decreasing (less younger more older)?
Here's a link of the picture:
http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/themes/ammoland-wp/assets/images/drop-a-tip.png?2e1d31
What do these numbers signify? Why are they important? Countries that don't have the infrastructure to support a larger population will simply implode. I came from a culture where the families had 4+ children. It wasn't even surprising to hear 10+ children in most families. But it was still basically considered a 3rd world nation and we lived in poverty.
What is your hypothesis concerning population and fertility? Maybe you should prove that first before you start with actual numbers.
esmith
Veteran Member
Yes there is a picture there but it is not associated with any story line you provided. FYI during WWI bombs were dropped from aircraft as depicted in the picture. Could it be that picture is linked to a story about said practice.
In my opinion what the author was saying is that the "races"(maybe wrong word or idea) that established civilization in the West are on the decline while those in the "third world" countries are rising thus immigrating out of their overburdened society into the countries that are rapidly losing population.
I don't think this was meant to be a rant against what will happen only explaining what will happen. Read the entire article and try to do so without prejudices.
As far as the dropping birth rates:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/06/21/editorials/fertility-rate-dips/#.V33U0DXngm0
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Fertility_statistics
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/24/is-u-s-fertility-at-an-all-time-low-it-depends/
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Yes, the picture is not associated with the story. I just commented on Ammoland in general. We had several topics going on. If Ammoland is about hunting and outdoor activities, then can I assume that flying a plane with a bomb in my hand is considered an outdoor activity? Just seems very out of place even for what you described.
I read the entire article. It states we're declining or "dying" even when it quoted positive rates per race.
"Between July 2014 and July 2015, the Asian-American population grew by 3.4 percent, and the Hispanic population grew 2.2 percent. The black population was up 1.3 percent. But the white population grew by only 0.1 percent."
This literally says we are positive in rate. Well, 0.1 percent among whites is not much.
So maybe, what you're keying in is this:
"White America has begun to die."
Well, white America is not dying per say since it's still positive but it definitely will lose majority compared to the 3.4 and 2.2 percent of Asians and Hispanics. Hispanics are projected to be the majority in the next decade.
I'm cool if you want to preserve your heritage even if we're all Americans. Beyond that, it's all arbitrary. You might be White American and I'm Asian American, but I still see all of us as simply Americans. These numbers don't mean anything as long as we're all still positive or have a healthy population in respect of another.
If you want to focus on it, fine, that's your prerogative. I don't care if in the next decade Whites are 10% ahead of Asians. As long as we're all in the positive to ensure that we're not going extinct then, I'm good.
As far as comparing to other nations, again, having a large population does not correlate to production. It can easily hamper a growing nation when it doesn't have the infrastructure to support too large of a size. Concerning immigration, this could be valid among illegal immigrants and if we can't control our borders. Otherwise, folks simply can't immigrate to new countries as they please. So if you want to argue illegal immigration, then I would actually agree with you on that.
MD
qualiaphile
The West as a culture will survive in the Americas only. It won't be WASPs but it will be a continuation of the culture today. Think Argentina.
Europe will become Islamic, Australia and NZ will fall under the Chinese sphere.
India and South Africa will have some aspects of Western culture carry on as well.
Europe will become Islamic, Australia and NZ will fall under the Chinese sphere.
India and South Africa will have some aspects of Western culture carry on as well.
What are your sources for that? I mean population projections from scientists and such. I don't see Europe becoming Islamic, especially not in this century. I don't know of any projections that posit that, either.
Either way, the birth rate drop is a good thing. We just need to work on helping the birth rate to drop in Africa and Asia through initiatives to provide equal access to education for boys and girls, men and women and contraceptives. These should be recognized the world over as urgent necessities and stridently campaigned for.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
WASP is not synonymous with "white culture," nor does it accurately describe the European heritage of all white Americans. For me, it ignores my Celtic heritage, and I wasn't born/raised a Protestant.
And I say good riddance to this whole "WASP" non-sense anyways. It's redundant, doesn't describe all white people even though it's generally applied to all white people, and Protestants are not the only brand of Christians running around.
I doubt that.
vaguelyhumanoid
Active Member
What is "the West", anyway? I think that needs to be defined.
According the the article the "the West" is defined as "white people".
I noticed.
