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Will there be freewill in the afterlife?
- Thread starter JustWondering
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A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
Like digging holes much?
You just said that there would be no evil in the afterlife, no need to perceive it - so are you saying that in the afterlife we'll "be robots"? Sure sounds like that's what you're saying.
You also said that the afterlife is a place where there is inherent "good" in all you do without "evil" playing a part. But then you quip the trite and tired old "you cannot have good without evil". So which is it?
OurCreed
There is no God but Allah
But both will still exist in the next world. Goodness is going closer to God and evil and badness is going away from God. When you die, you will either be close to Him or far away from Him, and you will feel one over the other. I'm not revising any statement.
OurCreed
There is no God but Allah
That makes no sense whatsoever. Technically?
Sounds like double-talk to me.
If there is ONLY one choice .. there IS no choice.
You play silly word games.
Divine command theory. Do as you are TOLD.... Whatever you do.. DON'T THINK.
Just repeat what you are told.
There's a good boy.
No pain, no gain. No evil... no.....( complete the sentence ).. no...... what?
And you KNOW that because you were TOLD that and you believe what you are TOLD, don't you?
Then the Islamic religion is clearly WRONG.
There is no free will if there is no possible CHOICE between good and evil, OurCreed.
YA GOTTA HAVE A CHOICE TO FREELY WILL IT.
If there is nothing to CHOOSE.. there is nothing to CHOOSE... no choice, no free will.... it's all GOOD.
Ridiculous twisted logic.
I guess you were taught that?
That makes no sense whatsoever. Technically?
Sounds like double-talk to me. If there is ONLY one choice .. there IS no choice.
You play silly word games.
Good and bad are constructs of this universe. We say eating food is good if you earned it but stealing food is bad. In the next world, things aren't going to be the same. Everything that we are provided, everything will be good. And the only reason it is good is because it is all close to God. The only thing that will be evil is being far away from God, which we call Hell. So when we die, the good people who are rewarded, they are given good and will never be exposed to evil, even though evil still exists. Those who are bad, they will be placed far away from God and that will be their own torment.
Divine command theory. Do as you are TOLD.... Whatever you do.. DON'T THINK.
Just repeat what you are told. There's a good boy.
The DCT is a flawed theory. God doesn't say what is good or evil, but they are defined through His very nature, His attributes. God is Merciful, so anything that we do in this life which coincides with that attribute, is good. Anything that goes against that attribute, is not good. God is Just, so everything that we do in this life that is Just, is good. When we are unjust, we are bad or evil.
No pain, no gain. No evil... no.....( complete the sentence ).. no...... what?
You're going off-topic. No pain no gain is just our own human conception and doesn't apply to the divine definition of evil. You can use "no pain no gain" for exercising. Does that mean exercising is evil? Of course not.
And you KNOW that because you were TOLD that and you believe what you are TOLD, don't you?
Going off-topic again. We are discussing theology here. If you don't agree with certain theological ideas, then you got bigger problems to worry about than worry about what our ideas are of good and evil.
Then the Islamic religion is clearly WRONG.
Wrong based off your ideas, but you provided no reasoning to prove otherwise.
There is no free will if there is no possible CHOICE between good and evil, OurCreed.
Which is exactly why we are here in THIS WORLD, where we are given free will and to choose between good and evil. You said it yourself, no free will without choice. So here you are in this temporary existence. Now you choose between good and evil. Whatever you decide to choose, wherever the path takes you, let's hope you're not in a bad state in the next world.
Nahwns Reefglin
Servant of the Far Ones
Really?
Pretty sure we still argue about that and why would all powerful god have human morality?
Nahwns Reefglin
Servant of the Far Ones
Don't BS about your god.
I know mine aren't merciful at least they don't torture you forever for not believing in them though.
Edit: Well, as far as I know.
jerry greer
Member
heavens gates are near byyyy
Nahwns Reefglin
Servant of the Far Ones
Where can I find them?
jerry greer
Member
on the website couldnt quite reach gd time to fix....
psychoslice
Veteran Member
If there is such thing as an afterlife which I don't believe in, then if there is a God, then no, you wont have free will, he just wouldn't allow it.
Blastcat
Active Member
When you are DEAD... there's an actual AFTER life where you can have illusions?
Must be nice to have that data.
I wonder where one acquires that info?
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
God tells you through vague tingly feelings.
Blastcat
Active Member
I'm an atheist because I got de-wormed.
Yes, but they will exist separately or not? I think you said that one place had only good and the other only evil. Do heaven and hell communicate in any way so that people can stll make sense of their ups or downs?
If not, then how does the soul of a very young child know where she is?
Ciao
- viole
Wouldn't the ^ above ^ depend on what is the definition of a soul according to one's belief ?______
The ' biblical soul ' is simply the person himself such as Adam was a living soul, and at Adam's death he became a dead or lifeless soul - Genesis 2:7; Genesis 3:19
So, at death, the soul of a very young child is simply a dead soul because the ' biblical soul ' is mortal - Ezekiel 18:4,20; Acts of the Apostles 3:23
Then, while in ' biblical hell ' there would be No communication because the dead know nothing according to Ecclesiastes 9:5
The dead are in a sleep-like state according to Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures - John 11:12-14; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13
Those 'new' (NT) or Christian Scriptures would be from John, Luke, Revelation and Romans, the rest used in post #133 are from the (OT) old Hebrew Scriptures.
Jesus based or supported his teachings on the old Hebrew Scriptures by his logical reasoning on them.
Jesus often prefaced his statements with the words, " it is written " meaning already written or recorded in the old Hebrew Scriptures.(OT)
Even when refuting Satan, Jesus quoted or referred to those old Hebrew writings.- (NT) Luke 4:6-8; (OT) Deuteronomy 10:20; Deuteronomy 6:13; (OT) Exodus 20:3
So, Jesus believed Satan to be a real spirit person, but Not a person who has control over a place called hell.
According to Scripture, Satan was never in hell, and Satan is also mortal because Jesus will destroy Satan (NT) Hebrews 2:14 B
ALL the wicked will be destroyed forever - (OT) Psalms 92:7, before Day One begins of Jesus' coming peace-filled 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth starts.
Good thing I am not going to be resurrected then, according to your belief.
There is going to be ( future tense ) a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
Only the wicked are excluded - Psalms 92:7; Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6
We the living are living at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth - Matthew 25:31-33
So, we are Not talking about a resurrection for those alive on Earth at this time, but that the living can continue to live on Earth right into Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins. So, we all have the same opportunity to ' repent ' so as Not to perish ( be destroyed ) - 2 Peter 3:9
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
When you are DEAD... there's an actual AFTER life where you can have illusions?
Must be nice to have that data.
I wonder where one acquires that info?
What happens to the dead, according to your data?
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
They rot, and you don't really need data, simple observation will tell you this every time.