esmith
Veteran Member
And Obama didn't divide the country?
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Will Trump Destroy the Republican Party?
- Thread starter Sunstone
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Someone told me back a few years, when the Democrats were mostly in power, that if the Republican party was finished then the Democrats would have to absorb all the remaining people. They eventually find differences among themselves and splinter into smaller groups.
What's funny is this worker vs ruler division has been dealing with the same issues for centuries. There seems no final resolution to the power struggle. There will always be folks who have power and folks who wants it.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Why do you think it's the media and not Trump?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Sure he did. Not nearly as much as Trump though.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
You think Trump symbolizes the American voter maturing?
Underhill
Well-Known Member
Personally, no. Did it happen when a black man won? Yes.
I see no evidence of the kind of divisive statements Trump has made, always pointing the finger. Obama was an old school statesman the vast majority of the time.
Because we are easily controlled by the globalists as long as they keep us divided. If America was one we would be too strong.
PositivePlatypus
Member
I don't understand how the two are linked.
The only way 9/11 could have been an inside job is if the government has been subverted. And if those behind the scenes pulling the strings don't like Trump, that doesn't bother me at all.
And besides, The other choice was Hillary.
PositivePlatypus
Member
Interesting perspective. I don't want to derail the OP too much but thanks for sharing.
PositivePlatypus
Member
A question I would ask is did the division get any worse and by what measure do we prove it? That's a tough one and I don't have an answer.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
That's not what I asked. Why do you think it is the media that is dividing us and not Trump himself? In other words, what is the media doing to divide us that is so much worse than what Trump is saying?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
And, if this is true, why is Trump trying to divide us so much? He is constantly pitting Americans against each other and moving on extremely divisive issues.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
The country has been divided for a very long time. Neither Obama nor Trump caused us to be so polarized, but it is ridiculous to claim that both men were somehow equivalent in exacerbating the division. Obama's rhetoric had more of a calming effect. He was elected twice by decisive majorities, and his second term ended with very high favorability ratings. He was never a demagogue, but Donald Trump has not stopped being one since the primaries.
Obama was never a demagogue?
Nah.....I could buy less of one (which is defendable)......but
he certainly attacked some of us for emotional appeal.
(I was one of the ones who didn't build my business.)
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Rev, you completely bought into the right wing spin on Obama's comment. All he meant was that businesses use infrastructure funded by taxpayers. Businesses don't build interstate highways and bridges. They don't fund the legal system that protects their assets. They don't pay for all of the fire stations and public school system. They take advantage of that infrastructure. All I can say in defense of that spin is that Barack Obama was never very good at defending himself in the face of the way he was framed and defined by his political enemies. Nevertheless, most people still supported him in the end. They realized that he had done a lot of good things for the country, despite his failings. A Republican-inspired national health care plan was better than nothing, but Republicans are right to attack it. It hasn't worked out as well as a single-payer plan would have, not that Republicans are pushing for any solution at all to the health care delivery problem we have in the US.
Please quote divisive statements made by Obama.
esmith
Veteran Member
I will go with the following:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/14/how-obama-has-bitterly-divided-america/
No they are not "statements". But they speak for themselves.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
Right except what that article describes is the same kind of garbage that has plagued politics increasingly since the 90's. That doesn't fall on Obama any more than it fell on GW or Bill Clinton. It is the result of toxic, partisan media and, more importantly I think, the internet and the way they have pushed the populace and politicians to increasing insanity...
On the other hand you have Trump, who seems to be pointing the finger at some group as the perpetrator to blame in every speech. Not even close to the same thing.
I also find it funny the way the article, towards the end, attempts to turn fairness and equality into hate speech.
esmith
Veteran Member
You mean the same way those that oppose Conservative thinking do?