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Witchcraft a religion?

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
That's strange since Traditional Italian Witchcraft is called La Vecchia Religione which translates as 'the old religion',a lunar matriarchal ancient religion.
A professor Milani of the Archaeological Museum in Florence staes that "Italian Witchcraft religion is as old as the Bronze Age, if not the Neolithic Age"

- notice the use of the word religion everywhere?
 

Mike182

Flaming Queer

it will take me a while to read through these two articles. i'll post something about them after i'm done reading - which will be a few days, i have a lot on at the moment.

i will preliminarily say however that both of these are biblical criticisms of witchcraft, which is traditionally at odds with Christianity. these articles look to be comparing witchcraft and Paganism to these cartoons, and criticising both of them on the same biblical grounds.

yes, there are similarities. this has no bearing on the question of wether witchcraft is a religion or not, it just means that the animators decided some of the concepts would make for good viewing. witchraft is in no way dependant upon these cartoons, so i don't personally feel it is right to say they are assosiated with each other.
 

susan

Seeker
Witchcraft and Wicca are not interchangeable terms. One can practice Witchcraft and not be Wiccan and one can also be Wiccan and not practice Witchcraft. The two are entirely different things, though often they coincide with one another, however, it is not necessary to practice one in order to practice the other.

Thank You!!!! To be a Witch or to be a Wiccan are two entirely different things.

Blessed Be
 

McBell

Unbound
What I find the most interesting is the people who are posting their personal definitions and opinions as though they were undeniable facts.
 

Somkid

Well-Known Member
[SIZE=-1]Just a bit of trivia, the term witchcraft literally means the craft of the wise. Originally witchcraft was practiced by those persons (mostly female), who had knowledge of herbal lore, the law, psychology and physiology. The term had nothing to do with religion until the Inquisition linked Paganism with Witchcraft and ever since the two have been inseparable. So, there you have it, witchcraft does not involve religion unless you add one, and there is no magic involved, historically speaking that is.
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McBell

Unbound
witch
O.E. wicce "female magician, sorceress," in later use esp. "a woman supposed to have dealings with the devil or evil spirits and to be able by their cooperation to perform supernatural acts," fem. of O.E. wicca "sorcerer, wizard, man who practices witchcraft or magic," from verb wiccian "to practice witchcraft" (cf. Low Ger. wikken, wicken "to use witchcraft," wikker, wicker "soothsayer"). OED says of uncertain origin. Klein suggests connection with O.E. wigle "divination," and wig, wih "idol." Watkins says the nouns represent a P.Gmc. *wikkjaz "necromancer" (one who wakes the dead), from PIE *weg-yo-, from *weg- "to be strong, be lively." That wicce once had a more specific sense than the later general one of "female magician, sorceress" perhaps is suggested by the presence of other words in O.E. describing more specific kinds of magical craft. In the Laws of Ælfred (c.890), witchcraft was specifically singled out as a woman's craft, whose practitioners were not to be suffered to live among the W. Saxons:
"Ða fæmnan þe gewuniað onfon gealdorcræftigan & scinlæcan & wiccan, ne læt þu ða libban."​
The other two words combined with it here are gealdricge, a woman who practices "incantations," and scinlæce "female wizard, woman magician," from a root meaning "phantom, evil spirit." Another word that appears in the Anglo-Saxon laws is lyblæca "wizard, sorcerer," but with suggestions of skill in the use of drugs, since the root of the word is lybb "drug, poison, charm." Lybbestre was a fem. word meaning "sorceress," and lybcorn was the name of a certain medicinal seed (perhaps wild saffron). Weekly notes possible connection to Gothic weihs "holy" and Ger. weihan "consecrate," and writes, "the priests of a suppressed religion naturally become magicians to its successors or opponents." In Anglo-Saxon glossaries, wicca renders L. augur (c.1100), and wicce stands for "pythoness, divinatricem." In the "Three Kings of Cologne" (c.1400) wicca translates Magi:
"Þe paynyms ... cleped þe iij kyngis Magos, þat is to seye wicchis."​
The glossary translates L. necromantia ("demonum invocatio") with galdre, wiccecræft. The Anglo-Saxon poem called "Men's Crafts" has wiccræft, which appears to be the same word, and by its context means "skill with horses." In a c.1250 translation of "Exodus," witches is used of the Egyptian midwives who save the newborn sons of the Hebrews: "Ðe wicches hidden hem for-ðan, Biforen pharaun nolden he ben." Witch in ref. to a man survived in dialect into 20c., but the fem. form was so dominant by 1601 that men-witches or he-witch began to be used. Extended sense of "young woman or girl of bewitching aspect or manners" is first recorded 1740. Witch doctor is from 1718; applied to African magicians from 1836.
"At this day it is indifferent to say in the English tongue, 'she is a witch,' or 'she is a wise woman.' " [Reginald Scot, "The Discoverie of Witchcraft," 1584]​
witchcraft
O.E. wiccecræft, from wicce (see witch) + cræft "power, skill" (see craft). Witchcraft was first declared a crime in Eng. law in 1542; trials there peaked in 1580s and 1640s but fell sharply after 1660. The last, in 1717, ended in acquittal. The Witchcraft Act was repealed 1736.
Wicca
An O.E. masc. noun meaning "male witch, wizard, soothsayer, sorcerer, magician;" see witch. Use of the word in modern contexts traces to English folklorist Gerald Gardner (1884-1964), who is said to have joined circa 1939 an occult group in New Forest, Hampshire, England, for which he claimed an unbroken tradition to medieval times. Gardner seems to have first used it in print in 1954, in his book "Witchcraft Today" (e.g.: "Witches were the Wica or wise people, with herbal knowledge and a working occult teaching usually used for good ...."). In published and unpublished material, he apparently only ever used the word as a mass noun referring to adherents of the practice and not as the name of the practice itself. Some of his followers continue to use it in this sense. According to Gardner's book "The Meaning of Witchcraft" (1959), the word, as used in the initiation ceremony, played a key role in his experience:
I realised that I had stumbled upon something interesting; but I was half-initiated before the word, 'Wica' which they used hit me like a thunderbolt, and I knew where I was, and that the Old Religion still existed. And so I found myself in the Circle, and there took the usual oath of secrecy, which bound me not to reveal certain things.​
In the late 1960s the term came into use as the title of a modern pagan movement associated with witchcraft. The first printed reference in this usage seems to be 1969, in "The Truth About Witchcraft" by freelance author Hans Holzer:
If the practice of the Old Religion, which is also called Wicca (Craft of the Wise), and thence, witchcraft, is a reputable and useful cult, then it is worthy of public interest.​
And, quoting witch Alex Sanders:
"No, a witch wedding still needs a civil ceremony to make it legal. Wicca itself as a religion is not registered yet. But it is about time somebody registered it, I think. I've done all I can to call attention to our religion."​
Sanders was a highly visible representative of neo-pagan Witchcraft in the late 1960s and early 1970s. During this time he appears to have popularized use of the term in this sense. Later books c.1989 teaching modernized witchcraft using the same term account for its rise and popularity, especially in U.S.

 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
There is La Vecchia Religione (The Old Religion).
This ancient religion is commonly called Stregheria. It is based on the worship of Diana & Dianus (Uni & Tagni). It is a polytheistic nature religion with structures that go back to to 3000 BC to the Stellar Cults of Persia.
The word Strega is used to denote a witch (Stregone for male)
The Gospel of Aradia was eventually compiled in the 14th century by Aradia of Volterra, Italy.
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
There is La Vecchia Religione (The Old Religion).
This ancient religion is commonly called Stregheria. It is based on the worship of Diana & Dianus (Uni & Tagni). It is a polytheistic nature religion with structures that go back to to 3000 BC to the Stellar Cults of Persia.
The word Strega is used to denote a witch (Stregone for male)
The Gospel of Aradia was eventually compiled in the 14th century by Aradia of Volterra, Italy.
I thought the book of Aradia was a 19th century hoax?
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Nah, these rumors also say that Wicca and Gardners' book of shadows is a hoax also.
Whether they are or aren't the fact remains that Traditional Witchcraft whether Italian, Greek, Nordic or whatever certainly has it's roots in ancient Pagan / Nature belief systems.
 

Kcnorwood

Well-Known Member
A witch, or true witch, don't worship any god, and despite the Christian propaganda, a witch don't worship the Devil. And they don't go around sacrifice animals or humans, because sacrifices implies they worship some spirits, which is another propaganda Christians have used to commit their own crimes and as an excuse to go hunting and burning witches at the stakes.
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My Wife is a Witch & you tell you how wrong you are about it not being a religion.
There are reasons why Witchcraft is called the Old Religion. My wife worships the Goddess Hecate worship implys religion. Even those who worship nature feel that nature is the spirit or the soul of the earth, & that the earth is alive again that implys worship. Even if you do not worship the Gods of old some Witches still worship nature. I do agree with the rest of your statement.
 

Circle_One

Well-Known Member
All wiccans might be witches, but all witches are not wiccans.

Actually, as is stated many times in this thread, NOT all Wiccans must be Witches. All Wiccans must be.... Wiccans. All Witches must be Witches... But one doesn't doesn't have to be one in order to be the other.
 

ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
Well, I have been doing "straight witchcraft," geometry, tarot, and chronology; and not quite realizing it... but whether or not I'm becoming Crowley Jr. remains to be seen. I don't actually know if it is "religion," but it just shorted out my religious circuit; so... ;)
 

ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
Well, I guess I have to "bear witness." Witchcraft may not be a religion, but it works like magic. :D

Wrote a post in my Gwynnite thread about how I need a new label, looked up quadinity; didn't want that one. The math term, yeah; we'll take one to go. So I'm writing up more excuses for more entitlement, and right in the middle my religion got revealed. I'm all better now. No need to speak a bunch of confusing prophecy when one can write using straight witchcraft. :D

So, I must contend that it is not. Science, perhaps; it is definitely an art, but unlike religion, it works. :p
 
It is different for each person I guess, I personally do not see it as a religion and hope it never gets clasified as that. There are so many different types of witches that fall under the witchcraft term anyway. But generally speaking, it is a practice more than anything.
 

McBell

Unbound
It is different for each person I guess, I personally do not see it as a religion and hope it never gets clasified as that.
Bad news for you:
[FONT=&quot]American Federation of Witches Inc. 973
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Associated Daughters of Early American Witches 1828 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]
Witches Dungeon 31885
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Witches Voice [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 31885
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[FONT=&quot]The numbers in red are the pages you can find them in: [/FONT]Publication 78, Cumulative List of Organizations described in Section 170(c) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986
 

LoTrobador

Active Member
Bad news for you:
[FONT=&quot]American Federation of Witches Inc. 973
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Associated Daughters of Early American Witches 1828 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]
Witches Dungeon 31885
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Witches Voice [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 31885
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[FONT=&quot]The numbers in red are the pages you can find them in: [/FONT]Publication 78, Cumulative List of Organizations described in Section 170(c) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986

As far as I know and understand correctly:

1. For an organization to gain status as a tax-exempt non-profit charitable organization it does not have to be religious, so witch in the name would not necessarily denote an organization's religious character nor recognition of witchcraft as a religion.

2. Regarding the organizations you've listed, the Associated Daughters of Early American Witches has Cook College and Theological School as a designated charity, CCTS being an ecumenical Christian institution; the Witches Dungeon seems to be the Witch's Dungeon Classic Movie Museum; and the Vitches' Voice is an online information and networking site, not a religious organization. I don't know about the AFW, as its site seems to be down.
 
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