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Without the debate do you think Biden would still be the candidate

We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
From the news I saw where Trump said about Biden...
"if we didn't have a debate he would still be there.
"why the hell did I debate him"
"he's not too happy. You know they took it away from him. They really did"

Do you think Biden would still be the candidate if there hadn't been a debate?

No poll. State your own answer and why/why not if you want.
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
We Never Know said:
From the news I saw where Trump said about Biden...
"if we didn't have a debate he would still be there.
"why the hell did I debate him"
"he's not too happy. You know they took it away from him. They really did"

Do you think Biden would still be the candidate if there hadn't been a debate?

No poll. State your own answer and why/why not if you want.
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Probably, without the debate performance as a tipping point inertia would have kept him in place.
 
David1967

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
We Never Know said:
From the news I saw where Trump said about Biden...
"if we didn't have a debate he would still be there.
"why the hell did I debate him"
"he's not too happy. You know they took it away from him. They really did"

Do you think Biden would still be the candidate if there hadn't been a debate?

No poll. State your own answer and why/why not if you want.
Click to expand...
Yes I do
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
We Never Know said:
From the news I saw where Trump said about Biden...
"if we didn't have a debate he would still be there.
"why the hell did I debate him"
"he's not too happy. You know they took it away from him. They really did"

Do you think Biden would still be the candidate if there hadn't been a debate?

No poll. State your own answer and why/why not if you want.
Click to expand...
Good question. I suspect he probably would since that debate performance was so bad. Biden looked so bad, and it was a consequence of the timing. Biden had been on a weeks long travel schedule and was sick. Had the debate been a week later Biden could have been more rested, and who knows what Trump's state of mind would have been. Trump has had his horrible moments himself, but are many watching? And do they expect much from him except his usual lies and rhetoric? Not really. Trump is Trump and democrats are expected to function at a much higher level of stability and consistency.

So now Trump is complaining because he made a series of bad judgments, complaining about Biden being too old and weak. Trump wanted to debate, and he got it. He got his "win" and now he regrets it. Does he regret his crimes, too? He wanted Biden to look weak, and Biden was worse than normal. What Trump didn't foresee is Biden leaving the race. Well, too bad. That's what the USA needs in a president, someone who can consider consequences of their own actions as they make decisions. Trump didn't foresee his business failures either, or criminal accountability when he broke laws. Trump is careless and sloppy, and doesn't look past the immediate moves for what it gives him. He got his debate "win" (neither won, but Trump did appear better, and he sees that as a win). Will he really debate Harris? No doubt if he does show up he will come loaded with a list of lies to fire like a machine gun that some will accept at face value and not care that they are lies, and Harris will have to be prepared to push back on his lies and rhetoric in a way that backfires on the convicted felon.
 
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wellwisher

Well-Known Member
We Never Know said:
From the news I saw where Trump said about Biden...
"if we didn't have a debate he would still be there.
"why the hell did I debate him"
"he's not too happy. You know they took it away from him. They really did"

Do you think Biden would still be the candidate if there hadn't been a debate?

No poll. State your own answer and why/why not if you want.
Click to expand...
The coverup of Biden's aging related decline, by fake News and the White House was still working on their base. They buy anything fake news tells them. But it was being pointed out by some of the real new press. Fake news is doing the same for Harris, but for a different coverup; her radial left ways. But in both cases, what was being covered up, was not in the best interest of the country and should not be President. It was fate interceding, via the debate, to give the US a chance to correct itself.

The Biden coverup, that started during COVID; Bunker Biden, had plausibility since self quarantine was common at that time. But the laugh and giggle tour of Harris, where she avoids press conferences, is not as credible or plausible. It smells like a coverup. It is not something fake news can keep up, all the way to November, without it getting boring and questionable. Independents want to hear Harris's opinions, and know she is strong enough to take on foreign leaders, via her sparing with the hostile press. Putin is not going to smile and giggle and talk about food during meetings.

Biden, in spite of his decline, still was very popular with the Latinos. They do not like Harris, and many will switch from Biden to Trump since the economy is their main issue and not identity politics.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
We Never Know said:
From the news I saw where Trump said about Biden...
"if we didn't have a debate he would still be there.
"why the hell did I debate him"
"he's not too happy. You know they took it away from him. They really did"

Do you think Biden would still be the candidate if there hadn't been a debate?

No poll. State your own answer and why/why not if you want.
Click to expand...
I think the debate caused the public to see that Biden was not up to the task, at least in that moment in time. But Biden and those around him would have seen this before the debate and would have had their concerns and strategies planned should something happen (like happened in the debate). The debate mattered in that it was on public view. But I don't suspect it mattered that much to the insiders. I think they saw it coming and were prepared to deal with it. Which they did very successfully. No one "pushed" Biden out of running for a second term but Biden's own state of health. He may have needed a bit of a reality check from those around him, as most seniors do when they are having to let go of a lifestyle that their bodies can no longer afford them. But I doubt very much that there was any "coup". Or that the debate was the major reason. The debate was just the signal that it was time for Biden to step aside.

Trump is such an narcissist that he thinks he "beat" Biden in that debate. But only Biden's age beat him. And the democratic party was ready for it. Trump, as always, was not. And since he doesn't listen to anyone, his own party could not help him to be prepared for Biden stepping aside. So as always, now he's flailing and blaming everyone else.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
PureX said:
I think the debate caused the public to see that Biden was not up to the task, at least in that moment in time. But Biden and those around him would have seen this before the debate and would have had their concerns and strategies planned should something happen (like happened in the debate). The debate mattered in that it was on public view. But I don't suspect it mattered that much to the insiders. I think they saw it coming and were prepared to deal with it. Which they did very successfully. No one "pushed" Biden out of running for a second term but Biden's own state of health. He may have needed a bit of a reality check from those around him, as most seniors do when they are having to let go of a lifestyle that their bodies can no longer afford them. But I doubt very much that there was any "coup". Or that the debate was the major reason. The debate was just the signal that it was time for Biden to step aside.

Trump is such an narcissist that he thinks he "beat" Biden in that debate. But only Biden's age beat him. And the democratic party was ready for it. Trump, as always, was not. And since he doesn't listen to anyone, his own party could not help him to be prepared for Biden stepping aside. So as always, now he's flailing and blaming everyone else.
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The debate is back on. Let's see how an old coot faces off with the younger broad.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Twilight Hue said:
It's the first thought that cropped up. Come on, it's clear where it's leading to.
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So I guess you just skipped the thread title and all the replies just to jump in blind.(not sure how you could miss the thread title though).

Its not leading anywhere. Its clearly a question about Biden and the title is...

Without the debate do you think Biden would still be the candidate​

 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
We Never Know said:
So I guess you just skipped the thread title and all the replies just to jump in blind.(not sure how you could miss the thread title though).

Its not leading anywhere. Its clearly a question of what and the title is...

Without the debate do you think Biden would still be the candidate​

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True but it is still going to lead in that direction.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
wellwisher said:
The coverup of Biden's aging related decline, by fake News and the White House was still working on their base. They buy anything fake news tells them. But it was being pointed out by some of the real new press. Fake news is doing the same for Harris, but for a different coverup; her radial left ways. But in both cases, what was being covered up, was not in the best interest of the country and should not be President. It was fate interceding, via the debate, to give the US a chance to correct itself.

The Biden coverup, that started during COVID; Bunker Biden, had plausibility since self quarantine was common at that time. But the laugh and giggle tour of Harris, where she avoids press conferences, is not as credible or plausible. It smells like a coverup. It is not something fake news can keep up, all the way to November, without it getting boring and questionable. Independents want to hear Harris's opinions, and know she is strong enough to take on foreign leaders, via her sparing with the hostile press. Putin is not going to smile and giggle and talk about food during meetings.

Biden, in spite of his decline, still was very popular with the Latinos. They do not like Harris, and many will switch from Biden to Trump since the economy is their main issue and not identity politics.
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The Biden coverup. Oh yeah, we liberals totally believed that he was 54 years old. Dang we were fooled by the clever coverup. Right wingers keep trying to make something out of nothing. It used to be the Biden crime family, but that went nowhere.

Biden, Biden, Biden. Just keep running against Biden. Do it all you want. Meanwhile Harris/Walz is gaining in polls and enthusiasm as Trump sputters with more of his boring and false rhetoric.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
F1fan said:
The Biden coverup. Oh yeah, we liberals totally believed that he was 54 years old. Dang we were fooled by the clever coverup. Right wingers keep trying to make something out of nothing. It used to be the Biden crime family, but that went nowhere.

Biden, Biden, Biden. Just keep running against Biden. Do it all you want. Meanwhile Harris/Walz is gaining in polls and enthusiasm as Trump sputters with more of his boring and false rhetoric.
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Those close to him knew his mentality was failing but kept it quiet.

Once the debate haspened and his failing mentality was exposed to the public. There could be no more covering for it.

There was nothing left but try to make excuses. He was tired, he had a cold(even you tried to use those excuses instead of just admitting the clear obvious fact about this mentality.

If the debate had not had happened his failing mentality would have continued to be shielded and hidden... He would still be the candidate.

In the end the debate exposed the ship was sinking and everyone abandoned ship.
 
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