Wolrd's greatest mass muerder

[Kowalski]

Adolf has obviuosly come in for some rightful stick. But he was not quite the worse, as a matter of fact, that dubiuos honour must go to Joseph Stalin. It isn't known exactly how many died as a result of Stalins policies, but estimates range from 50 million to 100 million. As the great leader himseolf once said: ' One death is a tradegy, a million deaths are just a statistic.

Cheers

K

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Therefore?

 

[Kowalski]

Therefore?

Therfor too many people focus on Hitler, and not enough on Stalin. Hitler was a bad guy, perhaps a little crazy, but Stalin was a true psychopath. Now I want to know how it is that the the Mad people achieve power.
It is said that Lenin nominated Stalin , not because he liked him, but because he thought he was only only person ruthless enough to carry the revolution on...

Cheers

K

 

[CaptainXeroid]

Calling attention to Stalin's atrocities does not diminish what Adolf Hitler did in the slightest. Both men are a reminder that evil is real.

 

[Mike182]

i think we simply need to build a time machine, go back in time, and shoot karl marx

this would not only solve the russian communist revolution, but end this debate with hitler being the most evil man, and solve many sociology debates about marxism aswell

overall, not a bad plan me thinks ........ now where did i put leonardo's tiem machine sketches? ..... finds "black adder" DVD, ah yes, just like an air-fix model :sarcastic


seriously though, both men were evil, saddistic, inhumane, and wrong - i believe there to be no debate over this fact

C_P

 

[jewscout]

It is said that Lenin nominated Stalin , not because he liked him, but because he thought he was only only person ruthless enough to carry the revolution on...

Cheers

K

this is not so...

Stalin's rude and aggressive behavior brought him into conflict with the ailing Lenin, who shortly before his death in 1924 wrote his political "testament" in which he voiced misgivings about Stalin. In the testament Lenin expressed doubt whether the party's general secretary would use his authority with sufficient caution, and he called for Stalin's removal from the post. Adroit political maneuvering enabled Stalin to have Lenin's testament discounted and suppressed...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/commandingheights/shared/minitextlo/prof_josephstalin

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Hitler was a bad guy, perhaps a little crazy, but Stalin was a true psychopath.

So Hitler was not a psychopath? Just "perhaps [sic!] ... a little crazy"? That is one of the most perverted and disgusting statements I've read in a long time. The fact that it demonstrates an apalling ignorance of the 1917-1923 period in Russia is the least of its problems.

Meanwhile, your claim that "estimates range from 50 million to 100 million" seems very much driven by a desire to minimize the Shoah, since even the most perfunctory research would show that 'estimates' are all over the map. See, for example, Source List and Detailed Death Tolls and Wikipedia which notes:

It is generally agreed by historians that if famines, prison and labor camp mortality, and state terrorism (deportations and political purges) are taken into account, Stalin and his colleagues were directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of millions. How many millions died under Stalin is greatly disputed. Although no official figures have been released by the Soviet or Russian governments, most estimates put the figure between 10 and 50 million. Comparison of the 1926–37 census results suggests 5–10 million deaths in excess of what would be normal in the period, mostly through famine in 1931–34.

Your post is more transparent than you think. I for one, do not like what it shows.

 

[michel]

So Hitler was not a psychopath? Just "perhaps [sic!] ... a little crazy"? That is one of the most perverted and disgusting statements I've read in a long time. The fact that it demonstrates an apalling ignorance of the 1917-1923 period in Russia is the least of its problems.

Meanwhile, your claim that "estimates range from 50 million to 100 million" seems very much driven by a desire to minimize the Shoah, since even the most perfunctory research would show that 'estimates' are all over the map. See, for example, Source List and Detailed Death Tolls and Wikipedia which notes:
Your post is more transparent than you think. I for one, do not like what it shows.

Well said; and thanks for the info.

 

[Kowalski]

So Hitler was not a psychopath? Just "perhaps [sic!] ... a little crazy"? That is one of the most perverted and disgusting statements I've read in a long time. The fact that it demonstrates an apalling ignorance of the 1917-1923 period in Russia is the least of its problems.

Meanwhile, your claim that "estimates range from 50 million to 100 million" seems very much driven by a desire to minimize the Shoah, since even the most perfunctory research would show that 'estimates' are all over the map. See, for example, Source List and Detailed Death Tolls and Wikipedia which notes:
Your post is more transparent than you think. I for one, do not like what it shows.

OK, great online psychologist:clap , what does my post show ? Come on, enlighten me with some Freudian insight ? The only reason I mentioned this topic was because of the Judgement day thread, Stalin deserves first place in the annals of hell, human style.

If your impyling I'm anti semetic, and I take it that is your drift, your way off beam scotty.

Cheers

K

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Hitler was a bad guy, perhaps a little crazy, but Stalin was a true psychopath.

The comment speaks for itself.

 

[Kowalski]

I think you should go back to your high school psychology books, you've much to learn, that's obvious.

Cheers

K

 

[jewscout]

I think you should go back to your high school psychology books, you've much to learn, that's obvious.

Cheers

K

no perhaps you should sir since both of these men fit the profile of psychopath

Psychopathy is a concept subject to much debate, but is usually defined as a constellation of affective, interpersonal, and behavioral characteristics including egocentricity; impulsivity; irresponsibility; shallow emotions; lack of empathy, guilt, or remorse; pathological lying; manipulativeness; and the persistent violation of social norms and expectations (Cleckley 1976; Hare 1993). The crimes of psychopaths are usually stone-cold, remorseless killings for no apparent reason. They cold-bloodedly take what they want and do as they please without the slightest sense of guilt or regret. In many ways, they are natural-born intraspecies predators who satisfy their lust for power and control by charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect16.htm

if that doesn't describe BOTH men i don't know what would...

 

[cardero]

Is this discussion applicable to just human murders or can it include other species?

 

[Kowalski]

no perhaps you should sir since both of these men fit the profile of psychopath
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect16.htm

if that doesn't describe BOTH men i don't know what would...[/size][/b]

I wouldn't argue with that profile.

Cheers

K

 

[jewscout]

I wouldn't argue with that profile.

Cheers

K

then perhaps you should reevaluate your previous statement

Hitler was a bad guy, perhaps a little crazy, but Stalin was a true psychopath.

and accept that both are equally psychopathic, one just had more time to rampage than the other

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I am sure there have been many people more psychopathic than both Hitler and Stalin But they did not have the political ability to go with it.
A fateful combination.
It could hapen again and put them both in the shade. Our technical ability to kill has increased manyfold.

Terry
_________________________
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.

 

[michel]

Oh, please, don't go there...........

 

[Kowalski]

then perhaps you should reevaluate your previous statement


and accept that both are equally psychopathic, one just had more time to rampage than the other

That Stalin had a lot more time is true. That Hitler was equally as bad is true, and given enough time, could well of turned out worse. One could also mention Mao, Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, and numerous others. Seemingly, any list would cover most of the historical period.

Cheers

K

 

[Feathers in Hair]

How about we change the title to "World's Most Idiotic, Inhumane, Cruel and Disgusting Individuals"?

Why treat 'number of people killed' or 'number of people who had their bodies, life and memory violated' as some sort of goal to strive for? Why even focus on the topic, except to try to stop those currently doing it and to mourn and honor the lives of the people who have been put through these atrocities? (And to celebrate those who have managed to survive.)

All these creatures are deserving of is my disgust, and I'm not even sure if they're worthy of that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hilter was able to take over Germany, and several other nations with only words. He could have ended up taking over the rest of world with military action.
Thats why I consider Hitler to be worse than Stalin. Don't forget the millions Hitler brainwashed into following his ways, including the Hitler Youth.