Wolves in sheep's clothings when the light inside is darkness.

[Evie]

When a person acts on a choice that is a 'bad' choice, whether the person is aware or not aware that it is a bad choice, that person is exercising badness. Call badness what you will, whether the devil, satan or whatever. The act of exercising the bad choice is to exercise bad. Knowing it is bad, or not knowing it will turn out to be a bad choice, does not remove the initial act arising from the choice.

 

[Evie]

When a person acts on a choice that is a 'bad' choice, whether the person is aware or not aware that it is a bad choice, that person is exercising badness. Call badness what you will, whether the devil, satan or whatever. The act of exercising the bad choice is to exercise bad. Knowing it is bad, or not knowing it will turn out to be a bad choice , does not remove the initial act arising from the choice.

 

[Evie]

Maybe freedom of choice gives birth to 'badness'. Whatever name you want to call badness. And it would have been pointless to give man freedom of choice, without providing something to choose to do or choose not to do.

 

[Evie]

But in many cases, other people influence choices.

 

[Evie]

But in many cases, other people influence choices.

 

[Evie]

Are we all born with a mind that is pure, and the first wrong choice causes impurity to be born into it? Or, did we all inherit the impure mind from the first man to make a wrong choice? Is this one of the questions which can be answered by believing the Bible has God's answer to the question? If so, then we have to go with the Bible account of Adam (the first man to make a wrong choice), caused all mankind to inherit the mind of Adam, which became 'impure' when he made his first wrong choice. Once the impurity existed, it could not be erased. Is that why Jesus did not come in the flesh via Adam, so that He would not inherit the impure mind of Adam? And Jesus kept His mind from being tempted to make wrong choices, as is given account of in the Bible. So His mind remained in a 'virginal' state of purity. That same pure virginal state that Adam's mind would have been in, before he made that first wrong choice.

 

[Evie]

Are we all born with a mind that is pure, and the first wrong choice causes impurity to be born into it? Or, did we all inherit the impure mind from the first man to make a wrong choice? Is this one of the questions which can be answered by believing the Bible has God's answer to the question? If so, then we have to go with the Bible account of Adam (the first man to make a wrong choice), caused all mankind to inherit the mind of Adam, which became 'impure' when he made his first wrong choice. Once the impurity existed, it could not be erased. Is that why Jesus did not come in the flesh via Adam, so that He would not inherit the impure mind of Adam? And Jesus kept His mind from being tempted to make wrong choices, as is given account of in the Bible. So His mind remained in a 'virginal' state of purity. That same pure virginal state that Adam's mind would have been in, before he made that first wrong choice.

 

[pearl]

The devil never showed himself.

I was referring to the Gen myth.

 

[Evie]

But in many cases, other people influence choices.

I was referring to the Gen myth.

 

[Evie]

My full post originally said. The devil never showed himself, it was via suggestion that Jesus was tempted. No devil handed Jesus bread to eat, the 'devil' suggested Jesus turn the stones into bread. And also suggested Jesus throw Himself off a high mountain.

 

[Evie]

Maybe 'satan' represents the wrong choices made by mankind. And had a beginning in the existence of mankind when man acted on a wrong choice.

 

[Evie]

maybe it was inner suggestion via words designed to seduce a particular individual. words which would appeal, and so influence the person to act on the suggestion.

 

[Evie]

maybe it was inner suggestion via words designed to seduce a particular individual. words which would appeal, and so influence the person to act on the suggestion.

From that first point of suggestion and acting upon the suggestion, it became a flow on procedure in the existence of mankind.

 

[Evie]

From that first point of suggestion and acting upon the suggestion, it became a flow on procedure in the existence of mankind.

I wonder how Darwin would view such a point in time , when the mind of man took a turn for the worse. From a pure existence to one which would be forever susceptible to seductive suggestions. Suggestions designed to appeal to human need, desire, longings and aspirations.

 

[Evie]

I wonder how Darwin would view such a point in time , when the mind of man took a turn for the worse. From a pure existence to one which would be forever susceptible to seductive suggestions. Suggestions designed to appeal to human need, desire, longings and aspirations.

 

[Bird123]

Most people weigh things up in their mind. Will I? Should I? Etc. why is it that in a great many cases people choose what turns out to be a wrong choice? And wrong choices can, and do lead to a time when the mind is full of regrets. So, from where did the suggestion come which led to the mind being tortured with regret if that wrong choice cannot be undone. And such is usually the case? Many argue that God should not have allowed such a state whereby we could make wrong choices resulting in regrets guilt etc. But consider the alternative. A robotic existence where human lives are programmed. Like puppets being manipulated by attached strings. Manipulated by a master puppeteer. Would anyone prefer that? Even if it meant never making choices which would result in regret, self- recrimination, guilt etc. mental self- whippings? God gave us freedom of choice.

Who is teaching people to choose to torture their minds? Religions?

Mistakes are a part of the learning process. No one ever gets really good without making them. Religions might convince people they are awful sinners having made mistakes, however by doing this, religion teaches people to value blame, judging, hating and condemning. Should not solving the problem to bring good results mean more than blaming, hating, condemning and punishing?? Should not religion be teaching the advancement to a Higher Level?

I have met a few people with tortured minds. They all turn out great once they understand reality over stories and beliefs. What a person believes is often what a person becomes, On the other hand, when one has facts, the truth sets them free. Let's never place beliefs ahead of the facts. That's how I see it.

 

[Evie]

I agree

Who is teaching people to choose to torture their minds? Religions?

Mistakes are a part of the learning process. No one ever gets really good without making them. Religions might convince people they are awful sinners having made mistakes, however by doing this, religion teaches people to value blame, judging, hating and condemning. Should not solving the problem to bring good results mean more than blaming, hating, condemning and punishing?? Should not religion be teaching the advancement to a Higher Level?

I have met a few people with tortured minds. They all turn out great once they understand reality over stories and beliefs. What a person believes is often what a person becomes, On the other hand, when one has facts, the truth sets them free. Let's never place beliefs ahead of the facts. That's how I see it.

I agree that a person,s beliefs, that their mind possesses, governs their life. Determines the person's physical existence. No doubt about it. If only a person's mind could 'give up all it's possessions'. All it's possessed false beliefs. This gives a whole new view on the religious teaching of giving up all your possessions, doesn't it?

 

[Evie]

I agree

I agree that a person,s beliefs, that their mind possesses, governs their life. Determines the person's physical existence. No doubt about it. If only a person's mind could 'give up all it's possessions'. All it's possessed false beliefs. This gives a whole new view on the religious teaching of giving up all your possessions, doesn't it?

I would like to add, that the human mind tends to 'cling' to it's possessed beliefs.

 

[EtuMalku]

I have answered EtyMalku when he considered it nonsense. Asking where I go it from. I replied Ezekiel. 28: 15.

Using scripture to defend your stance is circular logic, I can use alternative scriptures to prove my points as well.

Is EtuMalku Malku having difficulty coming up with an explanation as to how iniquity could be found in something 'born into existence' from an ALL GOOD GOD.

No, Etu Malku was probably ignoring this nonsense, until now. Iniquity or sinfulness / wickedness can easily be understood to come from this Abrahamic god. For it is this very god that has tried to enslave the Wills of mankind but could not thanks to the interceding of the true savior of mankind, the Serpent. The very god who has lied, manipulated, raped, murdered men, women, children and did all in his power to destroyed the Feminine Principle that older and greater religions held so dear, unsuccessfully I might add.

God said it, I believe it, and that settles it.

First off, there is no evidence that this Abrahamic god has said anything, anything attributed to this god is written by man, inspired by his beliefs.

The Bible is all humanity has to expose any untruths people try to make others believe. Without the Written Word and the power of the Holy Spirit to move the Hand of God to open our eyes to the truth of the scriptures, we would have remained lost.

By 'bible' I assume you mean the Christian bible? There are many bibles in the world, why you feel that the one you follow is 'THE' bible only shows an ignorance beyond reproach.