Women: What happens in the voting booth, stays in the voting booth

[Kenny]

What are you even talking about? Where do you see any strawman?

You are arguing about TaNaKh vs NT and not about slavery.

Please, do not take Hebrews 11:1 out of context. If you read the entirety of Hebrews 11, you will easily see that what is being called faith is not merely hoping for things in general.

You keep looking at scripture instead of the whole of the book and the definition stands in all areas. The just shall live by faith (not just one portion of your life); This is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith (every area of your world); that which is not of faith is sin (missing the mark in your living); without faith it is impossible to please God (in any area of your life; whatever things you desire, when you pray, believe (faith) you receive and you shall have. If you had faith as a mustard see you would say (to whatever you life’s mountains that are thrown at you.

My view stands.

Once again, like I have already said multiple times by now, if the person in question thinks they are disobeying God by voting in a certain candidate, that is a separated matter.

You separated it. I am still talking about faith and conscience and a husband ordering his wife to vote a certain way.

That is the intent and purpose of 'obey'. What you are not getting is that those leaders are supposed to be acting in the best interests of their flock and in strict adherence to God's commands. They are not supposed to be self-serving leaders.

So, what you are saying is that they can tell their people who to vote for? Where does it stop?

 

[metis]

And telling your wife how to vote is a faith matter.

No, it's a "death matter" if you're married to a Sicilian as I am.

 

[metis]

The Left appears to be composed, more of these who are attracted to National Enquirer more than to National Geographic.

Totally the opposite. According to a study on this as reported in Scientific American, the more educated, the more likely they'll vote for more liberal candidates and programs. With ph.d.'s, if they mainly support one party here in the States, it will be the Democratic Party. However, most consider themselves to be independents.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

No, it's a "death matter" if you're married to a Sicilian as I am.

LOL. You don't want to be sleeping with the fishes now, do you?

telling your wife how to vote is a faith matter. If you don’t agree, you have a dictatorial viewpoint.

Telling your wife how to vote is a matter of authoritarianism. If you agree that husbands have that right, then it is you who is dictatorial.

Pastors would be telling both husbands and wives who to vote for

They do. I've heard it first-hand.

that still isn’t the intent or purpose for “obey” or “submit”.

Not your call. You just have one vote on what scripture means. I disagree with you. That's my vote.

Your entire religion is based in obedience and submission. Sin is the failure to obey or submit to the deity's commandments, and the price is eternal punishment. Subjects are commanded to submit to kings, slaves to their masters, and wives to their husbands. It's right there in black and white. I'd be happy to quote relevant scripture in each case, but you should be able to do that yourself.

The Left is still thinks they are the victim, and Trump is the bully

The left thinks that America and the world are Trumps's victims. Trump is an archetypical bully and villain.

If you want peace, and Trump wins, and the bully game starts to begin again, then it is up to Trump to ends it for all of us

Trump wouldn't wait for anything before he began persecuting perceived enemies. He intends to bully immigrants on day one. He intends to bully those who have publicly challenged or disagreed with him including other Republicans.

The Left appears to be composed, more of these who are attracted to National Enquirer more than to National Geographic. Some Conservative men will get frustrated with his ding bat wife, who is a better at gossip, and fad following, than science. He need to control his inner caveman. Instead, he is needs to play the naughty Professor with the naughty graduate student; wife.

Do you think you have your inner caveman reigned in? Not judging by your opinions. It sounds like you've been taking notes from Tucker Carlson, who made these very creepy and off-putting comments recently.

From Opinion | Tucker Carlson's 'daddy' comments speak volumes about the far-right

After describing the American public as “a 2-year-old smearing the contents of his diapers on the wall” and “a hormone-addled 15-year-old girl slamming the door and giving you the finger,” a red-faced Carlson proposed a solution. “There has to be a point at which Dad comes home,” he said, to full-throated cheers from the crowd. “Dad comes home and he’s pissed. He’s not vengeful, he loves his children. Disobedient as they may be, he loves them, because they’re his children. … And when Dad gets home, you know what he says? You’ve been a bad girl. You’ve been a bad little girl and you’re getting a vigorous spanking right now. And no, it’s not going to hurt me more than it hurts you. No, it’s not. I’m not going to lie. It’s going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me. And you earned this. You’re getting a vigorous spanking because you’ve been a bad girl, and it has to be this way.”

 

[metis]

LOL. You don't want to be sleeping with the fishes now, do you?

She keeps a pair of cement shoes in the house that are exactly my size, and I think she does it so she remembers the size before she goes to the shoe store.

Wait a minute!

 

[Alien826]

After describing the American public as “a 2-year-old smearing the contents of his diapers on the wall” and “a hormone-addled 15-year-old girl slamming the door and giving you the finger,” a red-faced Carlson proposed a solution. “There has to be a point at which Dad comes home,” he said, to full-throated cheers from the crowd. “Dad comes home and he’s pissed. He’s not vengeful, he loves his children. Disobedient as they may be, he loves them, because they’re his children. … And when Dad gets home, you know what he says? You’ve been a bad girl. You’ve been a bad little girl and you’re getting a vigorous spanking right now. And no, it’s not going to hurt me more than it hurts you. No, it’s not. I’m not going to lie. It’s going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me. And you earned this. You’re getting a vigorous spanking because you’ve been a bad girl, and it has to be this way.”

Sheesh I hadn't seen this!

There's so much revealed by just a few words. "A bad girl". "Vigorous spanking". This is so like Victorian "morality". Corporal punishment as the answer to all childhood infractions. Lust for daughters sublimated into violence.

Yuech!

 

[Kenny]

Telling your wife how to vote is a matter of authoritarianism. If you agree that husbands have that right, then it is you who is dictatorial.

I think we have a disconnect. I don’t agree that husbands have that right. You are saying what I believe.

 

[anna.]

A, who’s 35 and lives in Illinois, asked that we use only her first initial because she’s worried about backlash from her religious community.​

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She says she voted for Trump in the last two elections, but after a period of soul-searching, decided to vote for Harris this time. She says she was “teetering” about whether to vote at all, in part out of fear of criticism if anyone close to her found out how she’d voted.​

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A says she’s keeping her vote a secret from her boyfriend and especially her father, a committed Republican. She says she thought about her daughters when she was making her decision.​

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“And as I was filling in that rectangle it was like, ‘Hell yeah, girl. You did something so powerful for yourself, and for a lot of women,” she said.​

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https://www.npr.org/2024/11/03/nx-s1-5159978/republicans-for-harris-women-voters-secret-votes-quiet-voters-2024-election-trump

 

[Wirey]

A, who’s 35 and lives in Illinois, asked that we use only her first initial because she’s worried about backlash from her religious community.​

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She says she voted for Trump in the last two elections, but after a period of soul-searching, decided to vote for Harris this time. She says she was “teetering” about whether to vote at all, in part out of fear of criticism if anyone close to her found out how she’d voted.​

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A says she’s keeping her vote a secret from her boyfriend and especially her father, a committed Republican. She says she thought about her daughters when she was making her decision.​

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“And as I was filling in that rectangle it was like, ‘Hell yeah, girl. You did something so powerful for yourself, and for a lot of women,” she said.​

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https://www.npr.org/2024/11/03/nx-s1-5159978/republicans-for-harris-women-voters-secret-votes-quiet-voters-2024-election-trump

Nothing as scary as blind people who can actually see.

 

[Koldo]

You are arguing about TaNaKh vs NT and not about slavery.

I am not arguing about Tanakh vs NT. I am arguing against a purported authoritative interpretation that is being used selectively.

You keep looking at scripture instead of the whole of the book and the definition stands in all areas. The just shall live by faith (not just one portion of your life); This is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith (every area of your world); that which is not of faith is sin (missing the mark in your living); without faith it is impossible to please God (in any area of your life; whatever things you desire, when you pray, believe (faith) you receive and you shall have. If you had faith as a mustard see you would say (to whatever you life’s mountains that are thrown at you.

My view stands.

Let me see if I properly understood: You are essentially saying that everything we do is a matter of faith and that we can not order people to act contrary to their conscience/faith, right? What kind of human orders are Christians supposed to obey whenever the bible refers to obeying then? Ephesians 6:1, Romans 13:1-2, 1 Peter 2:13-14, Hebrews 13:17 and Colossians 3:22, just to cite some examples.

You separated it. I am still talking about faith and conscience and a husband ordering his wife to vote a certain way.

Because it is proper to separate it.

So, what you are saying is that they can tell their people who to vote for? Where does it stop?

Yes, they can. It stops when they no longer seek the best for their flock, when they act contrary to God's commands.

 

[Subduction Zone]

See my above post.

I saw it and the Bible has multiple types of slavery. They vary from being almost the same as being almost no different from the chattel slavery of the Old South to someone working at purely overseeing tasks.

 

[Kenny]

Yes, they can. It stops when they no longer seek the best for their flock, when they act contrary to God's commands.

GREAT! So your position is that they CAN tell their flocks that they better obey and vote how they say… GOT IT! (not)

 

[Subduction Zone]

GREAT! So your position is that they CAN tell their flocks that they better obey and vote how they say… GOT IT! (not)

Some Christians, again not all, do this. No one is saying that you are guilty of what has been done wrong by some Christians, probably quite a few Christians, To deny that some Christians do this is just a use of the Ostrich Defense.

 

[Watchmen]

I saw it and the Bible has multiple types of slavery. They vary from being almost the same as being almost no different from the chattel slavery of the Old South to someone working at purely overseeing tasks.

Yep. The Bible has a lot of rules about slavery, but it never actually calls it out as immoral or against God's will. Curious. Maybe the Bible was merely written by a bunch of ancient goat herders and not actually inspired by the Divine.

 

[Koldo]

GREAT! So your position is that they CAN tell their flocks that they better obey and vote how they say… GOT IT! (not)

Biblically, yes.
You are free to treat the bible as an ordinary book though, rather than the word of God... like I do.

 

[Kenny]

Some Christians, again not all, do this. No one is saying that you are guilty of what has been done wrong by some Christians, probably quite a few Christians, To deny that some Christians do this is just a use of the Ostrich Defense.

Yes… there are some who say “You are not black if you vote for Trump” meaning, if you are black you better the way I tell you.

The vast majority of people tell others how they should vote.

The issue is, “Your vote is private and no one can tell you how to vote” - I agree with this statement.

 

[Kenny]

Biblically, yes.
You are free to treat the bible as an ordinary book though, rather than the word of God... like I do.

wow… I disagree categorically with you on the issue of voting. Next you will have pastors saying, “You can’t buy a car unless I give you permission”...

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes… there are some who say “You are not black if you vote for Trump” meaning, if you are black you better the way I tell you.

The vast majority of people tell others how they should vote.

The issue is, “Your vote is private and no one can tell you how to vote” - I agree with this statement.

That would be silly too. And I am glad that you agree with the statement. I never said that you did. Others may have. But the reason that this add probably works is shown by the reaction of some Republican men to it. If you noticed someone posted a Trump attempt at the same, but it was laughable. No one on the Democratic side is apt to complain about it because the ad was so bad that it would probably hurt Republicans. An example of shooting oneself in the foot.

I also agree with your interpretation of the Bible in this regard but I can also see how many Christin nationalists would have a different interpretation.

 

[Koldo]

wow… I disagree categorically with you on the issue of voting. Next you will have pastors saying, “You can’t buy a car unless I give you permission”...

If you disagree with what the bible says you can take it up to God (or treat it as a regular book that is not divinely inspired).

 

[Kenny]

If you disagree with what the bible says you can take it up to God (or treat it as a regular book that is not divinely inspired).

It is you interpretation of the divinely inspired word of God that I disagree with.