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Women who love killers

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
New Details About The Money, Love Letters And Sexually Explicit Photos People Are Sending The Parkland School Shooter

School shooter Nikolas Cruz is receiving lots of fan mail and his commissary account is being flooded with donations.

"There's piles of letters," said Broward County Public Defender Howard Finkelstein, whose office is representing Cruz, the Sun Sentinel reports. "In my 40 years as public defender, I've never seen this many letters to a defendant. Everyone now and then gets a few, but nothing like this."

Though the letters and fan mail, some including suggestive comments and photos, keep coming in, officials decided to keep them most of them from Cruz, 19, as he is on suicide watch.

“We read a few religious ones to him that extended wishes for his soul and to come to God,” Finkelstein said, “but we have not and will not read him the fan letters or share the photos of scantily-clad teenage girls.”

Apparently these young impressionable girls do not understand the seriousness of the situation but as one in the article wrote:

"Cruz “is a magnet for women who want to save him,” California forensic psychiatrist and author Carole Lieberman told the Sun Sentinel.

Women who become pen pals and groupies of killers in prison are those who have had a dysfunctional relationship with their dad that has made them feel unloveable,” she said. These fans lack self-esteem and “become imbued with the killer’s power.”

The convicted murderer has also received hundreds of dollars over the past month. His commissary account has been filled with over $800."

See: New Details About The Money, Love Letters And Sexually Explicit Photos People Are Sending The Parkland School Shooter
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
There are about 326 million people in the US. Maybe a two or three thousand of those people are kooky enough to send Cruz love letters. That is a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of the total population. It's nothing.
 

M83

Too busy staring at my shoes
This isn't exactly anything new. Manson, Ramirez, Bundy and countless others have had women go after them for one reason or another.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
It also works with the other sex. There was a case where a woman randomly shot up men, she received plenty of love letters. Many are attracted by danger or power.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
There are about 326 million people in the US. Maybe a two or three thousand of those people are kooky enough to send Cruz love letters. That is a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of the total population. It's nothing.

True but it still makes me wonder about the mental state of some people.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
New Details About The Money, Love Letters And Sexually Explicit Photos People Are Sending The Parkland School Shooter

School shooter Nikolas Cruz is receiving lots of fan mail and his commissary account is being flooded with donations.

"There's piles of letters," said Broward County Public Defender Howard Finkelstein, whose office is representing Cruz, the Sun Sentinel reports. "In my 40 years as public defender, I've never seen this many letters to a defendant. Everyone now and then gets a few, but nothing like this."

Though the letters and fan mail, some including suggestive comments and photos, keep coming in, officials decided to keep them most of them from Cruz, 19, as he is on suicide watch.

“We read a few religious ones to him that extended wishes for his soul and to come to God,” Finkelstein said, “but we have not and will not read him the fan letters or share the photos of scantily-clad teenage girls.”

Apparently these young impressionable girls do not understand the seriousness of the situation but as one in the article wrote:

"Cruz “is a magnet for women who want to save him,” California forensic psychiatrist and author Carole Lieberman told the Sun Sentinel.

Women who become pen pals and groupies of killers in prison are those who have had a dysfunctional relationship with their dad that has made them feel unloveable,” she said. These fans lack self-esteem and “become imbued with the killer’s power.”

The convicted murderer has also received hundreds of dollars over the past month. His commissary account has been filled with over $800."

See: New Details About The Money, Love Letters And Sexually Explicit Photos People Are Sending The Parkland School Shooter
I am sorry I have to laugh at the tea leaf reading by the psychologist. The interesting part of psychology of tea leaf explanations, is we can create a near infinite set of readings, we can find cognitive resonance with one of them. We can then argue as to which tea leaf reading is correct or incorrect creating dissonance. That dissonance reverberates through culture, it's embraced and we end up with a kid shooting up a school. Because we are quick to adapt to what ever we want to be true is true as long as it resonates for me. never mind it's creating confusion dissonance for others. The intellect..... HA!!!!!
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
True but it still makes me wonder about the mental state of some people.

Good point. I suspect Carole Lieberman is right in saying that the women who are attracted to murderers are typically women who had dysfunctional relationships with their fathers such that they came to feel themselves unlovable.
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
Same apply to quite a few religions' gods, but many people still love those gods.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Good point. I suspect Carole Lieberman is right in saying that the women who are attracted to murderers are typically women who had dysfunctional relationships with their fathers such that they came to feel themselves unlovable.
I think it's a more precarious way of living ones life carelessly through another person who doesn't give two ****'s what he or she does.

I think people get attracted to the rebel bad guy (or girl) persona because it's the ultimate defyment of authority and society. A type of ultimate freedom without concern for one's own safety and security where the only one who's in charge is you and no one else.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I am sorry I have to laugh at the tea leaf reading by the psychologist. The interesting part of psychology of tea leaf explanations, is we can create a near infinite set of readings, we can find cognitive resonance with one of them. We can then argue as to which tea leaf reading is correct or incorrect creating dissonance. That dissonance reverberates through culture, it's embraced and we end up with a kid shooting up a school. Because we are quick to adapt to what ever we want to be true is true as long as it resonates for me. never mind it's creating confusion dissonance for others. The intellect..... HA!!!!!

So um what was your point?
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So um what was your point?
psychologists are like professor Trelawney In harry potter. 99% tea leaf reading and occasionally totally tapped in. So the tea leaf reading was obvious. The psychologist was reaching so to speak.
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I think people get attracted to the rebel bad guy (or girl) persona because it's the ultimate defyment of authority and society. A type of ultimate freedom without concern for one's own safety and security where the only one who's in charge is you and no one else.
I am not a psychologist, but one of the main attractions to these guys is the safety.
It might look and feel dangerous and rebellious, but the fact is that Cruz is unlikely to get out of prison for decades if ever. That's a really safe boyfriend. He cannot demand anything or cheat on you or anything like that. He is more of a sitting duck, and probably grateful for any attention that is not some kind of punishment.

It's sick to be attracted to someone like that, but it doesn't surprise me that a few people are.
Tom
 
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