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World’s Most Persecuted Minority
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SkylarHunter
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I don't know much about Prager and maybe the title of the video was not the best. Christians are not a world minority. They are only a minority in certain parts of the world. However, we should all take very seriously the fact that there is so much persecution in the world today.
Either religious or for some other reason, human beings have become monsters.
I can't think of a single reason to persecute Christians in the middle east, gays in the west or atheists anywhere in the world. The only people we should be persecuting are the criminals who steal from us and manipulate our minds every day.
So much blood in human history, so many stupid wars and we arrive in nearly 2015 not knowing how to respect others? How insane is that?
Either religious or for some other reason, human beings have become monsters.
I can't think of a single reason to persecute Christians in the middle east, gays in the west or atheists anywhere in the world. The only people we should be persecuting are the criminals who steal from us and manipulate our minds every day.
So much blood in human history, so many stupid wars and we arrive in nearly 2015 not knowing how to respect others? How insane is that?
SkylarHunter
Active Member
The Bible says that. Being persecuted as a christian might be unavoidable, it doesn't mean people should be happy to be the targets of hatred.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That video has to first establish that Christianity is a minority (which of course can't be done as it is one of the world's largest majorities). It then needs to establish that, globally, they are more persecuted than GLBT, atheists, "real minority" religions, ethnicity, and other groups that face public rejection, legal consequences, and even death over. Of course this does happen to Christians, but how many Christians are killed for being Christian compared to those who are GLBT? How many Christians face chronic employment problems for being Christian? It's bad whenever it happens, but too many Christians are really playing up a "woe is me" card. They should go to parts of Africa or the Middle East if they want to see what happens when Christians are really repressed and persecuted.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Uhm where were you the last two years and especially this year?
Ever heard about Al-Nusra or IS?
The Christians in Iraq and Syria are about as persecuted as one can be.
The video isn't even about Christians in North- or South America. Let alone Europe. It's about Christians in Northern Africa and the Middle East.
And there it's just spot on.
Christians are the persecuted ones? Try Homosexuals, atheists, or homosexual atheists. That's without even mentioning race or gender.
we are talking about religion, not sexuality.
what does being gay have to do with the OP?
what about a Christian gay man? he will be persecuted twice, in those countries: for being gay and for being Christian
as for Atheists, you are right. But they are not tolerated less than Christians
Nada
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I would consider the Jehovahs Witnesses to be the most persecuted minority being there are only 8 million of them.Watch this video of the JW's being beaten and having their Kingdom Hall almost burned down by a violent mob.This was an annual gathering commemorating the Lords evening meal.Better known as the passover.
Here is one that shows in detail the great lengths the KGB in the U.S.S.R. went to to rid the country of Jehovahs Witnesses.
Here is some information on the struggle in Russia including court information.
A Lengthy Legal Struggle Ends in Victory! — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
JW's persecuted and killed in WWII by Hitler's Nazi's
Here is one that shows in detail the great lengths the KGB in the U.S.S.R. went to to rid the country of Jehovahs Witnesses.
Here is some information on the struggle in Russia including court information.
A Lengthy Legal Struggle Ends in Victory! — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
JW's persecuted and killed in WWII by Hitler's Nazi's
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The desire to survive and preserve that which you value from perceived or actual threats is not something I would consider indicative of insanity. It is also quite possible to hold respect for those you disagree with, even as you put them to the sword or the prison box. Respect does not mean one fails to take steps to preserve one's life, livelihood, kin, and culture. Competition is part of reality, whether we like it or not. So is cooperation, but it is not realistic to expect to eliminate competition. Both cooperation and competition will always be with us.
Paradox22
I'm only Hume ian
It is certainly the most comfortable form of martyrdom. One doesn't even have to break a sweat to say the world is persecuting me and/or others like me.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
"Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you." Matt 5:12
So was Jesus wrong?
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Not if they're complaining. Matt 5 talks about that they should be happy and rejoice when they are. It's almost like it's suggested that they should dance on the streets and have a party when they're persecuted, but most of the time they just go on the news, forums, books, etc and complain.
Don't get me wrong though. I believe it's wrong that Christians are persecuted, but for some reason (maybe because that's what they deep down want) they complain louder than anyone else when it happens to them.
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Do they complain louder? Or is it that people actually bother to pay attention when they do?
There was some very, very vocal complaining against the VA for ten years as they refused to include the pentacle as a religious symbol on gravestones in VA cemeteries. Virtually nobody paid attention outside of the Neopagan community. Most people don't even know that this was a battle that had to be fought.
There was some very, very vocal complaining against the VA for ten years as they refused to include the pentacle as a religious symbol on gravestones in VA cemeteries. Virtually nobody paid attention outside of the Neopagan community. Most people don't even know that this was a battle that had to be fought.
gsa
Well-Known Member
The OP referenced "minority," not "religious minority." However, the video did. So I have no problem if we want to restrict the discussion to religious minorities.
In that case, however, there is no basis for concluding that Christians are the most persecuted religious group because of their religion, even in those countries where their religion is a minority. Consider these words from a specialist on religious violence:
There are all sorts of violent persecutions taking place today, and I would probably rate the massacre of Shiite Muslims in Pakistan and Iraq, along with the massacre of everyday Muslims and Christians in northern Nigeria, at least as high as persecution of Christians in various places. The recent pogroms against Muslims in Central African Republic have been well documented and just staggering in their scale. Christians—whether Egyptian Copts or North Korean evangelicals—are hardly the only religious groups under attack.
The problem with imagining a global persecution of Christians, or of any religious group, is that each case is really quite different. The relationship between Copts and Muslims in Egypt has become much more fraught over the 20th century because of economic and political differences. Nigeria is another place where Christians have gained and exerted political and economic power in some ways, while a kind of radical Islamism has energized some movements in the north, with extremely violent consequences. But it is not just Christians who are victimized by the Nigerian group Boko Haram (“Away with Western Culture!”). It is often other Muslims. It is quite wrong to imagine that Christians alone are somehow uniquely targeted by violent groups. And in some cases it is Christians—evangelical, Pentecostal—who are instigating violence, whether against gay people in Uganda or against so-called “child witches” in many parts of west Africa.
Link.
In fact, it is easy to see the kind of bogus associations that are made to reach inflated numbers. For example, one proponent of the global persecution theory, John Allen, conflates violence against Christians with violence against Christians because of their religion. So for example, he cites the case of a Mexican bishop executed by a drug cartel. Christian activists killed for protesting corporate abuses in South America, the Israeli security checkpoints (because they divide Christians for worship purposes), etc. In many if not most of these cases, Christians are not being targeted for their religious practices. Indeed, in many cases cited, it is Christians who are persecuting Christians:
About 70 Protestant Christians lived in the village of San Rafael Tlanalapan, Puebla state, until Monday (Sept. 12), when they faced a frightening ultimatum – leave immediately or be “crucified or lynched.”
Traditionalist Catholics in the village, near the municipality of San Martín Texmelucan about 60 miles from Mexico City, reportedly threatened to burn down or otherwise destroy their homes.
The Protestants left.
Now you tell me, is this a case of anti-Christian persecution? If so, then anti-Muslim persecution is at the heart of the violence in Syria and Iraq, anti-Christian persecution explains Northern Ireland, etc.
The point in critiquing this is not to discount anti-Christian persecution, which does in fact exist, but to demonstrate how it is not some sort of global crusade, nor is it something that can be conflated with other types of violence against Christians.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Rudeness aside, as a whole, Christians are far from being a heavily persecuted group. It does happen (more frequently in some places than others, which you apparently missed that I acknowledged), but from where I'm standing, the group as a whole, does more persecuting than is done to them. There is no basis to support the claim they are a minority, or that they are the world's most persecuted minority.
Nada
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Christians who persecute others are not true Christians.They may call themselves that but they are not.
Nada
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I thought you were outta here? Did they postpone the court date? Lol...
dust1n
Zindīq
Just had a couple of extra minutes during lunch, and was reading random stuff, and couldn't help but correct the insane notion perpetuated by the OP or the video.
Nada
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Cool! Glad to see you back.
dust1n
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Cool! Glad to see you back.
Thanks, but this is the exception as opposed to the rule.