World Crisis and The Pathway to Peace

[TransmutingSoul]

The Bahai Shariah includes much of the Babi Shariah, and a Universal House of Justice could draw upon more Babi laws if it might decide to.

To accept some Babi Shariah while rejecting other Shariah (without clear written judgement from Bahauallah) just looks like the cherry-picking of the OT laws that extremist right-wing Christian groups do. Worrying.........

Well from what I have read that is not correct about Baha'i Law.

The book of laws is available at bahai.org and I have read through it.

I see no issue, but I do see some unusual laws, unusual as westerners have not been exposed to a law based faith before. For law based faiths it might be to relaxed for them.

From what I understand about the Baha'i Covernant, to which the Universal House of Justice is part of, we have not a thing to be afraid of about their decisions in the future.

I say that, as I see they Administer only to people that become Baha'i.

If you are not a Baha'i you are not subject to the Law. If governments of the land also decide to adopt that law, then only time will tell if that will be so. But we will be long gone.

Peace be upon you

 

[oldbadger]

Well from what I have read that is not correct about Baha'i Law.

Then you have not read enough.

The book of laws is available at bahai.org and I have read through it.

I understand that quite a lot of the Bahai law and administration has not been made available in English.

I see no issue, but I do see some unusual laws, ...

If you don't mind religious police forces, capital punishment and voting rights only for Bahais, with LGBT persons excluded from houses of justice at local, national and world levels, with women disbarred from the UHJ..... fair enough.

......unusual as westerners have not been exposed to a law based faith before. For law based faiths it might be to relaxed for them.

The Christian Creeds have up to 1050 guides, rules and laws. Judaism has from 507 to 613 laws. Islam has a full law code.

And Bahai law is not relaxed........ not so.

From what I understand about the Baha'i Covernant, to which the Universal House of Justice is part of, we have not a thing to be afraid of about their decisions in the future.

Good luck with that.

I say that, as I see they Administer only to people that become Baha'i.

But in a Bahai World they would administer law for....... the World.

If you are not a Baha'i you are not subject to the Law. If governments of the land also decide to adopt that law, then only time will tell if that will be so. But we will be long gone.

Nope...... Bahais are required to obey the laws of the lands which they live in. The Bahai administration and law systems are intended for a New World, a Bahai World. Non Bahais would have no say or vote within that system.

Peace be upon you

And upon you.

You surely read that a Bahai was fairly critical of the OP's faith, and Amadiya (my spelling) Muslims are amongst the most moderate, imo. Perhaps you might read a little more about the OP's faith?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But in a Bahai World they would administer law for....... the World

Well given the love and unity I see in their communities, that would be a good thing.

Peace be upon you.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I can say no more but to say many people of many Faiths await a great day and we have been given the bounty ro live in it.
I have read along the lines, "If we are not happy and joyous at this season, for what other season shall we wait and for what other time shall we look?"
Peace to all.

...and Peace in return.
We should all await a Great Day. In Scripture Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 is a coming Great Day of judgement.
The figurative humble 'sheep'-like people receive a favorable judgement.
The figurative haughty 'goat'-like people will receive an adverse judgement.
The season we are in - Matthew 24:32-33 - is a joyous season because Earth will become a beautiful and bountiful paradisical garden as Eden originally was.

 

[oldbadger]

Well given the love and unity I see in their communities, that would be a good thing.

Peace be upon you.

Ah...... I see ....... you have obviously gone further than just reading about Bahai, you have experienced a number of Bahai communities.

 

[danieldemol]

The Bahai Shariah includes much of the Babi Shariah, and a Universal House of Justice could draw upon more Babi laws if it might decide to.

To accept some Babi Shariah while rejecting other Shariah (without clear written judgement from Bahauallah) just looks like the cherry-picking of the OT laws that extremist right-wing Christian groups do. Worrying.........

On page 8-9 of the KitabiAqdas, Shoghi Effendi (Guardian of the Baha'i Faith) writes,
"...the teachings of the Bayán have been abrogated and superseded by the laws of the Aqdas"1
And Baha'u'llah Himself writes
"Know thou that We have annulled the rule of the sword, as an aid to Our Cause, and substituted for it the power born of the utterance of men."2

So you see there really is no room for manouverability by the Universal House of Justice on this matter from a fundamental perspective

Kind regards

(1 http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KA/ka-2.html KitabiAqdas page 8-9)
(2 http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-139.html Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 303)

 

[oldbadger]

@AntonyBS in an earlier post you said:
Well given the love and unity I see in their communities, that would be a good thing.

And before that you mentioned, in so many words, great respect for Bahahuallah.

Could I ask:- Do you believe that Bahauallah is the manifestation of God for this age, and do you think that a Bahai World would be one of love and unity?

 

[oldbadger]

On page 8-9 of the KitabiAqdas, Shoghi Effendi (Guardian of the Baha'i Faith) writes,
"...the teachings of the Bayán have been abrogated and superseded by the laws of the Aqdas"1
And Baha'u'llah Himself writes
"Know thou that We have annulled the rule of the sword, as an aid to Our Cause, and substituted for it the power born of the utterance of men."2

So you see there really is no room for manouverability by the Universal House of Justice on this matter from a fundamental perspective

Kind regards

(1 http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KA/ka-2.html KitabiAqdas page 8-9)
(2 http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-139.html Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 303)

Not true.
The truth is shrouded in double-think.
In a Bahai World there would be Bahai Police Forces, no doubt similar to our present military forces.......... plenty of 'swords'.

Should any king take up arms against another, all should unitedly arise and prevent him. If this be done, the nations of the world will no longer require any armaments, except for the purpose of preserving the security of their realms and of maintaining internal order within their territories. This will ensure the peace and composure of every people, government and nation."
Baha'u'llah: Gleanings,

.....can you remember how you spoke to @paarsurrey about his religion?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

@AntonyBS in an earlier post you said:
Well given the love and unity I see in their communities, that would be a good thing.

And before that you mentioned, in so many words, great respect for Bahahuallah.

Could I ask:- Do you believe that Bahauallah is the manifestation of God for this age, and do you think that a Bahai World would be one of love and unity?

That sounds like you are handing out a declaration card with the first question, that is a past practice that Baha'is were involved in to which I understand this is not the motivation any more and I have not seen one handed out. I see Baha'is are about community building, I love community building.

With the 2nd question I see no reason why it would not be, after all, that is what Baha'u'llah in my opinion taught. His son Abdul'baha, definitely live a life that reflected those teachings.

Time will tell if it unfolds in this way, I expect it may.

I have found a Prophecy page which I am studying, have you seen that to date?

Peace be upon you and all.

 

[oldbadger]

That sounds like you are handing out a declaration card with the first question, that is a past practice that Baha'is were involved in to which I understand this is not the motivation any more and I have not seen one handed out. I see Baha'is are about community building, I love community building.

What are you talking about?
I asked a simple question.

With the 2nd question I see no reason why it would not be, after all, that is what Baha'u'llah in my opinion taught. His son Abdul'baha, definitely live a life that reflected those teachings.

Time will tell if it unfolds in this way, I expect it may.

I have found a Prophecy page which I am studying, have you seen that to date?

Peace be upon you and all.

OK...... so you don't believe in Bahai enough to be one....... true?

 

[danieldemol]

Not true.
The truth is shrouded in double-think.
In a Bahai World there would be Bahai Police Forces, no doubt similar to our present military forces.......... plenty of 'swords'.

Should any king take up arms against another, all should unitedly arise and prevent him. If this be done, the nations of the world will no longer require any armaments, except for the purpose of preserving the security of their realms and of maintaining internal order within their territories. This will ensure the peace and composure of every people, government and nation."
Baha'u'llah: Gleanings,

.....can you remember how you spoke to @paarsurrey about his religion?

Sure I can, I'm not sure why you can't differentiate between compelling people to adopt religion by the sword and having police forces which uphold secular law though.

 

[oldbadger]

Sure I can, I'm not sure why you can't differentiate between compelling people to adopt religion by the sword and having police forces which uphold secular law though.

In a Bahai World police forces would be upholding Theocratic Law, as written by Bahauallah.

And they would be armed.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Sure I can, I'm not sure why you can't differentiate between compelling people to adopt religion by the sword and having police forces which uphold secular law though.

Because OB is not interested in having a reasoned discussion with you or any Baha'i for that matter.

He is very interested in presenting the Baha'i Faith in a negative light through presenting half-truths and misinformation. For example....

In a Bahai World police forces would be upholding Theocratic Law, as written by Bahauallah.

And they would be armed.

How do I know? I spent a year talking to OB in these two threads.

https://www.religiousforums.com/thr...against-a-literal-resurrection.204345/page-33

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/how-are-these-great-beings-explained.195981/

 

[oldbadger]

Because OB is not interested in having a reasoned discussion with you or any Baha'i for that matter.

He is very interested in presenting the Baha'i Faith in a negative light through presenting half-truths and misinformation. For example....



How do I know? I spent a year talking to OB in these two threads.

https://www.religiousforums.com/thr...against-a-literal-resurrection.204345/page-33

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/how-are-these-great-beings-explained.195981/

Your posts to me didn't look too god back then, and the above looks no better now.
As I remember you tried personal insults then, and you can't offer much else now.

The OP's religion was taking some unreasoned bashes on this thread Imo, and I just wanted to remind all that Baha'i has its rough edges as well.

When backed up you lose your cool somewhat 009

 

[paarsurrey]

parrasurrey,
It does seem that we are on a direct line to WW3, but WW3 most likely will not happen. The reason?? The Almighty God is controlling things now, I believe, and there are too many worshippers of the true God, for Him to allow a World War. There will be many wars all over the world. There are, in fact about two dozen wars going on all the time. These wars are so commonplace now that they are hardly even reported by the big networks. Do you know that Matthew chapter 24, Mark, chapter 13, and Luke, chapter 21 mentions many of the terrible conditions that would be happening, during this generation, which is the generation that will see the second coming of the lord Jesus. Jesus mentioned all the things happening NOW, as the sign to watch for, just before he returns.
The problem is, when Jesus comes it will be time for him to Judge the earth’s inhabitants. It seems that, only the ones who are obeying the things that Jesus taught, will survive, 2Thessalonians 1:6-10, John 20:30,31, Acts 4:12, 1Peter 2:21.
If a person looks into the things that Jesus gave as a sign that he would return shortly, not only are all the things apparent, but are apparent on an unprecedented scale, so that is is easy to recognize. If we are wise we will not wait any longer!!! Agape!!!

"during this generation, which is the generation that will see the second coming of the lord Jesus."

Sorry, I don't agree with one.
Jesus' Second Coming has already taken place in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, please.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

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The fact that we are experiencing turbulent times is in harmony bith Bible prophecy.

In the last days critical times hard (or fierce) will be here. (2 Tim 3:1)

And 2 Timothy was not written by Jesus .
Right, please?
Regards

 

[viole]

The world is passing through very turbulent times. The global economic crisis continues to manifest newer and graver dangers almost every week. The similarities to the period just before the Second World War continue to be cited and it seems clear that events are moving the world at an unprecedented pace towards a horrific Third World War.

Does one agree to it,please?

Regards

What economic crisis?

Ciao

- viole

 

[paarsurrey]

What economic crisis?

Ciao

- viole

Global debt now worse than before financial crisis, says IMF

Regards