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World War Three

Has WW3 started?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 30.8%

  • No

    Votes: 18 69.2%
  • Total voters
    26
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
exchemist said:
I think such reasoning is rather dangerous. A war is when people are being killed.
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I almost forgot. I grew up during the "Cold War" so my childhood and young adulthood was all about a different kind of war - not the shooting kind.

So history also disagrees with your assertion.
 
amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
sun rise said:
I almost forgot. I grew up during the "Cold War" so my childhood and young adulthood was all about a different kind of war - not the shooting kind.

So history also disagrees with your assertion.
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yeah and did you protest vietnam or didn't you. I read that the hippies didn't want all this war
 
R

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Rich men. Humans. Claim they preach rich men cause wars to be richer. How to become richer.

An American belief I don't believe history of a rich man fair English UK inferred as they were still taking money out of America.

Really English brothers...no now we are a small world community I tell lies myself.

Rich men shouldn't be allowed to get richer. Self included.

Most men in assessing their spiritual earth God O life purpose. Never self assess as everyone else is always wrong.

Today Vladimir reflects upon Vladimir.

Two brothers.

As conscious worlds family in our correct country positions is the nation. We represent by nation each parent.

American native Indian parent is America's nation.

All great parents need to meet from every nation as the great parents we know they are. To settle families dispute.

Leave out war mongers.
Leave out the rich business man.
Let family speak for itself for once.
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
sun rise said:
I almost forgot. I grew up during the "Cold War" so my childhood and young adulthood was all about a different kind of war - not the shooting kind.

So history also disagrees with your assertion.
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I grew up during the cold war as well. It was the longest period of peacetime in Europe in the c.20th.

"Cold war" was a metaphorical term, invented by Orwell and subsequently applied to the confrontation between the Western democracies and the USSR.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
sun rise said:
I voted yes on the basis of WW3 not being like the two earlier wars. Instead it's being fought politically, financially, in the media, in Ukraine and by hackers such as the latest claim that Anonymous hacked the Russian Central Bank and by Russians hacking Ukraine's institutions.

In this I'm following Clausewitz who said that war was a contest of wills. In this case, much of the world is involved in one way or the other. And I'm thinking of what Sun Tzu said “Perfection in war lies in so sapping your opponents will that he surrenders without fighting.”
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Yeah, war can be waged other than with military weapons. Quite a bit of the nations of the world are involved. However, WWI and World WarII were fought with weapons, so it isn't quite the same thing.
 
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Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
I don't believe this will in all likelihood evolve into WWIII in the military sense. It is very similar to contests between the Soviet Union and the US. They always were cautious about triggering WWIII, so it never happened. They were afraid of a nuclear exchange. At first I thought Putin was going over the edge mentally, but I think he has enough sense to not trigger WWIII.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
exchemist said:
"Cold war" was a metaphorical term, invented by Orwell and subsequently applied to the confrontation between the Western democracies and the USSR.
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Didn't know that. I read his "1984" and "Animal Farm". Just looked that up. Orwell could really look ahead.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
exchemist said:
can't see Putin nuking Kyiv. Kyiv is the historic prize in Putin's mind, the great city and centre of the civilisation of Kievan Rus' that he wants to claim as the ancestor of modern Russia.
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He is destroying other cities. Why not Kyiv? Right now he seems be of the mind to destroy.
 
an anarchist

an anarchist

Your local anarchist.
Well, is the consensus still no?

I think conflicts of the world will continually escalate.

If China vs Taiwan or Iraq vs Iran happens, we'd be very close to being in World War Three. If alliances are formed or used from multiple warring parties e.g. Russia and China and Iran simultaneously supporting each other as they all war, is that not a "World War"?

We're very close I think. My opinion hasn't changed since I've made this thread.

What do you think?
 
rocala

rocala

Well-Known Member
I think we should be careful with our language here. One definition of war is - "a state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country."

Another is - "a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other."

Clearly there is armed conflict but on a scale that is far from global. This conflict may well be a precurser to world war though. There is nothing unique about this, there were several conflicts pre 1939 involving Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan, but they were precursors not WWII.
 
an anarchist

an anarchist

Your local anarchist.
Eddi said:
Yep WWIII is definitely happening

But at a relatively low intensity

Thus far....
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Low intensity perhaps for most of the first world, such as for the citizens of the USA and various European countries.

But for many people now, the war is at its most intense. From Gaza to Ukraine, to now within the borders of Russia, I'm sure the residents there don't feel the "low intensity".

This will only spread I fear.
 
Eddi

Eddi

Believer in God
Premium Member
an anarchist said:
Low intensity perhaps for most of the first world, such as for the citizens of the USA and various European countries.

But for many people now, the war is at its most intense. From Gaza to Ukraine, to now within the borders of Russia, I'm sure the residents there don't feel the "low intensity".

This will only spread I fear.
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That's why I qualified my statement with "relatively" ;)
 
sew.excited73

sew.excited73

Wendy-Anne - I am Dutch/British
sun rise said:
I voted yes on the basis of WW3 not being like the two earlier wars. Instead it's being fought politically, financially, in the media, in Ukraine and by hackers such as the latest claim that Anonymous hacked the Russian Central Bank and by Russians hacking Ukraine's institutions.

In this I'm following Clausewitz who said that war was a contest of wills. In this case, much of the world is involved in one way or the other. And I'm thinking of what Sun Tzu said “Perfection in war lies in so sapping your opponents will that he surrenders without fighting.”
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This :pointup:plus, don't forget the worst part: the Psychological Warfare, including that by governments on its own people, although most people don't recognise this (yet).
 
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