Worldview

[nPeace]

They are the same

Print them or use the colour dropper tool on your computer.

Or just google it.

It’s a great illusion

Once I opened the image in my graphics program, I noticed they were the same, but I still needed to make sure, with the dropper.
I think the gamma is different based on the software being used. On RF, they still look different. On my graphics program, they look the same.

Edit
Taking another look, I think either my eyes are playing tricks on me, or my mind is.
So please explain this to me. What's going on here? How does this work?

 

[nPeace]

If you were to replace the word “worldview” with “opinion”, and opinion with worldview; everything you said would make perfect sense to me. I think we are in agreement, we are just using different words to describe the same thing. It’s not that I don’t want to have a worldview; it’s just that to me it sounds indistinguishable from what I refer to as my opinion.

For real?
Let me see.
A worldview An opinion requires views, opinions, ideas, etc., to exist.
A worldview An opinion, is not an opinion, but can be opinions - that is, an accumulation of opinions.
A worldview An opinion, is based on opinions. A worldview An opinion does not exist, where there are no opinions, or views...
While an opinion can be part and parcel of a worldview an opinion. That is, it combines with other opinions, ideas, views... an opinion is not a worldview an opinion.
Opinions, views, ideas... These all make up your worldview opinion.

Does any of this make sense to you? Seriously?

To me, it sounds like you want a worldwide to be something you don't have, but only religious people have, making religious people individuals that base what they believe, solely on opinion.

 

[Kfox]

As a simple example, when you get off a boat you experience rocking for a while.

True! And though there are exceptions to the rule (often we will recognize those exceptions) as I said before, in the real world we have no choice but to assume what our senses tell us is accurate. Agree?

But we only experience part of reality, we don't sense radiation for example and have weak senses of smell and hearing compared to other animals. Other animals experience "reality" very differently.

Yeah; as I pointed out before, we can only experience a small percentage of all the information thrown at us.

You senses adapt to experience and training. You hear a firework, someone with PTSD hears a gunshot. Not all sounds register with our brain as information, hence we sometimes don't hear people speaking to us when we are engaged in a task.

True! Sometimes we don’t pay attention to what we hear, other times we pay attention, but judge it wrong. But still; what our senses told us is still accurate; agree?

Hence you are biased by your experience as you are not affected by experiences you haven't had.

Had you had different experiences, your perception would have been different.

True

You are still guessing if they are being honest, open, accurate, etc.

You have to fill in gaps, and you are not neutral and fully rational when you do this. You are biased, as we all are.

I don’t know if taking someone at their word as the same as filling in the gaps, but I agree I never really know.

Then you are guaranteed to "learn" many false things that will impact your future judgements.

Exposure to multiple inaccurate sources wouldn't lead to accurate views, even if we assumed a perfectly rational human (and we are not anywhere near perfectly rational).

Usually they aren’t inaccurate so much as they only tell just enough of a truth and refusing to tell other truths so it gives a false impression.

They are not 2 separate stages of cognition. Seeing and judging are often instinctual. You can't withhold judgement until you have carried out a rational and calculated analysis. You can try to correct your instinct at times, but your initial judgement still matters and impacts the process. This has been well established in the cognitive sciences

Yeah; but that’s more about judgment, I was talking about my ability to trust my 5 senses are giving me accurate information. Do you agree in real world experiences we have no choice but to accept what our 5 senses tell us is true?

 

[Kfox]

For real?
Let me see.
A worldview An opinion requires views, opinions, ideas, etc., to exist.
A worldview An opinion, is not an opinion, but can be opinions - that is, an accumulation of opinions.
A worldview An opinion, is based on opinions. A worldview An opinion does not exist, where there are no opinions, or views...
While an opinion can be part and parcel of a worldview an opinion. That is, it combines with other opinions, ideas, views... an opinion is not a worldview an opinion.
Opinions, views, ideas... These all make up your worldview opinion.

Does any of this make sense to you? Seriously?

I said replace opinions with worldview, and replace worldview with opinions. You didn’t do both. Care to try again?

To me, it sounds like you want a worldwide to be something you don't have, but only religious people have, making religious people individuals that base what they believe, solely on opinion.

Why would I care whether I have what you call a worldview or not? Why would I care what religious people base their belief on?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Why would I care whether I have what you call a worldview or not? Why would I care what religious people base their belief on?

Your question just doesn't make sense. Everyone has a worldview. We just differ on what our worldviews are.

 

[Kfox]

Your question just doesn't make sense. Everyone has a worldview. We just differ on what our worldviews are.

What you guys call a worldview, I call opinions. Everybody has opinions.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What you guys call a worldview, I call opinions. Everybody has opinions.

I can have an opinion that chicken is better than pork. That's not a world view. A world view are those opinions that shape how you view the world.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

dup

 

[Kfox]

I can have an opinion that chicken is better than pork. That's not a world view. A world view are those opinions that shape how you view the world.

IOW not all opinions are worldviews, but all worldviews are opinions.

 

[Augustus]

Taking another look, I think either my eyes are playing tricks on me, or my mind is.
So please explain this to me. What's going on here? How does this work?

Your mind is playing tricks with you, it's an optical illusion.

The explanation is a bit technical (and I don't even fully understand it), but basically your brain learns to interpret visual signals in a certain way, and fills in what it "expects" to see and tries to maintain consistency in functionality with regard to this. What it expects to see, in part, derives from comparisons with surrounding objects and it adapts to be functional in different conditions, even if this distorts the objective nature of these things.

In this case a combination of the shadow effect and the checkerboard effect causes you to perceive one as lighter as it is surrounded by dark objects and is in shadow so your brain 'corrects' the image. If you think about it, when you are walking in a forrest, you want to be ables to see a snake hiding in the leaves in the shadows, or see one in a tree reflecting the sunlight so your eyes need to adapt to the different lighting conditions. Whether you are getting the true luminosity of the snake is less important than if you are able to differentiate it from its surroundings.

The visual system needs to determine the color of objects in the world. In this case the problem is to determine the gray shade of the checks on the floor. Just measuring the light coming from a surface (the luminance) is not enough: a cast shadow will dim a surface, so that a white surface in shadow may be reflecting less light than a black surface in full light. The visual system uses several tricks to determine where the shadows are and how to compensate for them, in order to determine the shade of gray “paint” that belongs to the surface.

The first trick is based on local contrast. In shadow or not, a check that is lighter than its neighboring checks is probably lighter than average, and vice versa. In the figure, the light check in shadow is surrounded by darker checks. Thus, even though the check is physically dark, it is light when compared to its neighbors. The dark checks outside the shadow, conversely, are surrounded by lighter checks, so they look dark by comparison.

A second trick is based on the fact that shadows often have soft edges, while paint boundaries (like the checks) often have sharp edges. The visual system tends to ignore gradual changes in light level, so that it can determine the color of the surfaces without being misled by shadows. In this figure, the shadow looks like a shadow, both because it is fuzzy and because the shadow casting object is visible.

The “paintness” of the checks is aided by the form of the “X-junctions” formed by 4 abutting checks. This type of junction is usually a signal that all the edges should be interpreted as changes in surface color rather than in terms of shadows or lighting.

As with many so-called illusions, this effect really demonstrates the success rather than the failure of the visual system. The visual system is not very good at being a physical light meter, but that is not its purpose. The important task is to break the image information down into meaningful components, and thereby perceive the nature of the objects in view.

or a longer discussion:

The Brain Knows enough to take into account Light and Shadow

Visual perception requires to infer object and light source color to maintain constancy. This study demonstrates the influences of environmental sunlight color trajectory (blue-white-yellow-red), and associated color of scattered light in shadows on color perception. In Adelson’s checkerboard...

www.biorxiv.org

 

[IndigoChild5559]

IOW not all opinions are worldviews, but all worldviews are opinions.

Yes.

 

[Augustus]

Yeah; but that’s more about judgment, I was talking about my ability to trust my 5 senses are giving me accurate information. Do you agree in real world experiences we have no choice but to accept what our 5 senses tell us is true?

In general, yes, we need to trust them.

We can also accept that trusting them may mislead us at times even if we can’t always recognise it.

Just like we know we are all biased and irrational at times, but we can’t always identify this at the time it happens.

Usually they aren’t inaccurate so much as they only tell just enough of a truth and refusing to tell other truths so it gives a false impression.

All news sources are inaccurate to a degree, this is due to the nature of news cycles. They report on things in real time, so often report things that later turn out to be untrue.

This would be the case even if they followed the highest standards of journalistic practice, and they certainly don’t do that.

IOW not all opinions are worldviews, but all worldviews are opinions.

Worldviews are not opinions, they are more like the precursor to opinions.

If you have the opinion America is better than Saudi Arabia, this is because of part of your worldview. With no worldview there are no criteria on which you can make the value judgements necessary to have an opinion (or a subconscious emotional response to events, etc.)

 

[RestlessSoul]

Yeah; at a football game you’ve got a thousand different things going on at once, but nobody can notice all 1,000, maybe 200. But the 200 things you notice will not be the same 200 the guy next to you notices. So even though you may not notice everything going on around you, what you do notice is real/correct.

What you notice may be grounded in reality, how you interpret that reality, and what significance you accord to particular incidents and events, will be strongly influenced by your own experience, values, prejudices and preconditioning.

 

[nPeace]

I said replace opinions with worldview, and replace worldview with opinions. You didn’t do both. Care to try again?

What.. and get admitted to a mental hospital? No thanks.

Why would I care whether I have what you call a worldview or not? Why would I care what religious people base their belief on?

Why do atheists care what religious people believe?

 

[Kfox]

In general, yes, we need to trust them.

We can also accept that trusting them may mislead us at times even if we can’t always recognise it.

Just like we know we are all biased and irrational at times, but we can’t always identify this at the time it happens.

I agree.

All news sources are inaccurate to a degree, this is due to the nature of news cycles. They report on things in real time, so often report things that later turn out to be untrue.

This would be the case even if they followed the highest standards of journalistic practice, and they certainly don’t do that.

I agree.

Worldviews are not opinions, they are more like the precursor to opinions.

If you have the opinion America is better than Saudi Arabia, this is because of part of your worldview. With no worldview there are no criteria on which you can make the value judgements necessary to have an opinion (or a subconscious emotional response to events, etc.)

So our worldviews will color many of our opinions?

 

[Kfox]

What.. and get admitted to a mental hospital? No thanks.

C'mon; I promise I won't tell anybody.

Why do atheists care what religious people believe?

What my neighbor believes has an effect on me; unless my neighbor keeps his beliefs to himself. Unfortunately for many religious people, their holy book instructs them to go out and spread (impose) their beliefs on everybody else.

 

[nPeace]

C'mon; I promise I won't tell anybody.

That won't get me out.

What my neighbor believes has an effect on me; unless my neighbor keeps his beliefs to himself. Unfortunately for many religious people, their holy book instructs them to go out and spread (impose) their beliefs on everybody else.

That's not fair. Jesus gave people the choice to believe and accept. So do those following Christ's example.
Imposing their behalfs. SMH.

The television is used to impose beliefs on you, and so is the internet. Why do you still use them.

 

[nPeace]

So our worldviews will color many of our opinions?

Yes. one that is biased.
...and our ideas, opinions, views, etc., forms our worldview... which isn't necessarily biased.
It can be based on facts.

 

[Kfox]

What.. and get admitted to a mental hospital? No thanks.

C'mon; I promise I won't tell anybody.

Why do atheists care what religious people believe?

What my neighbor believes has an effect on me; unless my neighbor keeps his beliefs to himself. Unfortunately for many religious people, their holy book instructs them to go out and spread (impose) their beliefs on everybody else.

 

[Kfox]

Yes. one that is biased.
...and our ideas, opinions, views, etc., forms our worldview... which isn't necessarily biased.
It can be based on facts.

How does the worldview color out opinions if the opinions are only a part of our worldview?