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Worship part of human nature?

Audie

Veteran Member
I heard a Christian claim this but I have mixed feelings about the statement.

On one hand, I know I have a very deep desire and need for worship. The ectasy and pure ananda of worshipping Satan is... words can't do it justice. It's one of those things, that you cannot tell another of unless they too have recieved those infernal blessings of enrapture and darkness.

For me, it is as if life is escaping and filling me. It is as if I become a living sacrifice offering every part of my being, and I am rewarded with vision of the truth and power over the light and dark in that moment that Satanic energies and the self becomes one, even if for a fleeting moment.

It is pure, raw energy. And I'm addicted to my love of Satan.

But on the other hand...

I've met others who get no joy from such a thing, many even Satanists but many also atheists and even the religious! Many Satanists feel degraded by worship and atheists don't really believe in gods but maybe worship an idea but not overtly. All I have to say to other Satanists that worship isn't required, but damn does it enrich things if it's for you, I think.

For many there isn't a need, or they are forced to because of their beliefs and theology. I rarely hear of Christians and Muslims worshiping out of a need independent of their fear for Hell.

Also...

I do know of pagans, Hindus, and other non Abrahamic religious groups worshiping out of desire, without coercion or fear,but simply out of adoration. I was first introduced to this by Shaivism and as I learned more about it and adopted Trika as the missing part of my religion, I began to understand the value and fulfilling aspects of worship.

So...

Could it be that we, at least most of us, are hardwired for worship? Or do you think something else is at play, or we really are hardwired for something else that just tends to manifest as a need for worship?

I think, maybe a bit of we are hardwired, but not necessarily dominant, and that other factors might be at play. Not everyone feels a need and it's not for everyone. But for us of those it is for, it fulfills a deep aspect of our lives.

Are you just making all this up?
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
I prefer to call it communing with God, but worship is what is best for all of us. That doesn't mean that everybody feels the need for worship, people can lose their way and not be in touch with that.
 

Chris Lovel

searcher
I heard a Christian claim this but I have mixed feelings about the statement.

On one hand, I know I have a very deep desire and need for worship. The ectasy and pure ananda of worshipping Satan is... words can't do it justice. It's one of those things, that you cannot tell another of unless they too have recieved those infernal blessings of enrapture and darkness.

For me, it is as if life is escaping and filling me. It is as if I become a living sacrifice offering every part of my being, and I am rewarded with vision of the truth and power over the light and dark in that moment that Satanic energies and the self becomes one, even if for a fleeting moment.

It is pure, raw energy. And I'm addicted to my love of Satan.

But on the other hand...

I've met others who get no joy from such a thing, many even Satanists but many also atheists and even the religious! Many Satanists feel degraded by worship and atheists don't really believe in gods but maybe worship an idea but not overtly. All I have to say to other Satanists that worship isn't required, but damn does it enrich things if it's for you, I think.

For many there isn't a need, or they are forced to because of their beliefs and theology. I rarely hear of Christians and Muslims worshiping out of a need independent of their fear for Hell.

Also...

I do know of pagans, Hindus, and other non Abrahamic religious groups worshiping out of desire, without coercion or fear,but simply out of adoration. I was first introduced to this by Shaivism and as I learned more about it and adopted Trika as the missing part of my religion, I began to understand the value and fulfilling aspects of worship.

So...

Could it be that we, at least most of us, are hardwired for worship? Or do you think something else is at play, or we really are hardwired for something else that just tends to manifest as a need for worship?

I think, maybe a bit of we are hardwired, but not necessarily dominant, and that other factors might be at play. Not everyone feels a need and it's not for everyone. But for us of those it is for, it fulfills a deep aspect of our lives.
Wow, you worship an entity that does not exist except in your mind. I am always astounded by the peoples need to worship a God. If a God is omnipotent, as we are told, why would it require worship? Man has made God in man's image and given it human traits such as negative emotions, anger, revenge, jealousy, the list is long. Worst of all man has given God an ego, only those with ego require worship. This is an insult to a God. I note you suggest you love Satan, or your concept of it, This mythical being is supposed to be all hate is it not.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I heard a Christian claim this but I have mixed feelings about the statement.

On one hand, I know I have a very deep desire and need for worship. The ectasy and pure ananda of worshipping Satan is... words can't do it justice. It's one of those things, that you cannot tell another of unless they too have recieved those infernal blessings of enrapture and darkness.

For me, it is as if life is escaping and filling me. It is as if I become a living sacrifice offering every part of my being, and I am rewarded with vision of the truth and power over the light and dark in that moment that Satanic energies and the self becomes one, even if for a fleeting moment.

It is pure, raw energy. And I'm addicted to my love of Satan.

But on the other hand...

I've met others who get no joy from such a thing, many even Satanists but many also atheists and even the religious! Many Satanists feel degraded by worship and atheists don't really believe in gods but maybe worship an idea but not overtly. All I have to say to other Satanists that worship isn't required, but damn does it enrich things if it's for you, I think.

For many there isn't a need, or they are forced to because of their beliefs and theology. I rarely hear of Christians and Muslims worshiping out of a need independent of their fear for Hell.

Also...

I do know of pagans, Hindus, and other non Abrahamic religious groups worshiping out of desire, without coercion or fear,but simply out of adoration. I was first introduced to this by Shaivism and as I learned more about it and adopted Trika as the missing part of my religion, I began to understand the value and fulfilling aspects of worship.

So...

Could it be that we, at least most of us, are hardwired for worship? Or do you think something else is at play, or we really are hardwired for something else that just tends to manifest as a need for worship?

I think, maybe a bit of we are hardwired, but not necessarily dominant, and that other factors might be at play. Not everyone feels a need and it's not for everyone. But for us of those it is for, it fulfills a deep aspect of our lives.
I remember working on sculpture and statues in art class. When you're done, it oftentimes takes on a life of its own so it's not hard to see why we are hardwired to deify objects and ideas.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
It is pure, raw energy. And I'm addicted to my love of Satan.
You refer to a sort of devotion and emotional love. True a lot of Christians are devoted to Jesus similar to devotion to Krishna. That is a sort of a thing but doesn't count as worship in Christ unless it is extended to the members of Christ. What you are talking about is just the feeling without the associated responsibility. If its merely devotion between you and yourself and maybe an invisible being then its not worship in christ and is more like self-help. My opinion. :cool:
I heard a Christian claim this but I have mixed feelings about the statement.
You have good instinct on that. Its true thouvh that many people simply enjoy worship music, stances, dances, singing, lingering, swaying and such. Technically non of it counts as worship if it doesnt do something for others and draw people into christ.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I heard a Christian claim this but I have mixed feelings about the statement.

On one hand, I know I have a very deep desire and need for worship. The ectasy and pure ananda of worshipping Satan is... words can't do it justice. It's one of those things, that you cannot tell another of unless they too have recieved those infernal blessings of enrapture and darkness.

For me, it is as if life is escaping and filling me. It is as if I become a living sacrifice offering every part of my being, and I am rewarded with vision of the truth and power over the light and dark in that moment that Satanic energies and the self becomes one, even if for a fleeting moment.

It is pure, raw energy. And I'm addicted to my love of Satan.

But on the other hand...

I've met others who get no joy from such a thing, many even Satanists but many also atheists and even the religious! Many Satanists feel degraded by worship and atheists don't really believe in gods but maybe worship an idea but not overtly. All I have to say to other Satanists that worship isn't required, but damn does it enrich things if it's for you, I think.

For many there isn't a need, or they are forced to because of their beliefs and theology. I rarely hear of Christians and Muslims worshiping out of a need independent of their fear for Hell.

Also...

I do know of pagans, Hindus, and other non Abrahamic religious groups worshiping out of desire, without coercion or fear,but simply out of adoration. I was first introduced to this by Shaivism and as I learned more about it and adopted Trika as the missing part of my religion, I began to understand the value and fulfilling aspects of worship.

So...

Could it be that we, at least most of us, are hardwired for worship? Or do you think something else is at play, or we really are hardwired for something else that just tends to manifest as a need for worship?

I think, maybe a bit of we are hardwired, but not necessarily dominant, and that other factors might be at play. Not everyone feels a need and it's not for everyone. But for us of those it is for, it fulfills a deep aspect of our lives.

We are social animals. Without socialization from intimacy, the child grows isolated and it stutters mental growth. Worship, or the act of showing gratitude, isnt hardwired. Its upbringing and/or a sense that you, as most feel, something "greater" or more profound than oneself. It could take place as a marriage. It could be family oriented. Gratitude can be individual.

How-is not hardwired. I dont feel "one" by bowing. The buddhist linage I took precepts bow and other cases lay flat on the stomach in Tibetan buddhism. Its depended on culture too. A handshake or hug from an american is a bow and formal grammatical greeting to another based on age and sex from eastern cultures.

Children dont grow up being thankful. They are taught. Its not so what. Has nothing to do with (a)theism. Its why and how that supports the what.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
We are social animals. Without socialization from intimacy, the child grows isolated and it stutters mental growth. Worship, or the act of showing gratitude, isnt hardwired. Its upbringing and/or a sense that you, as most feel, something "greater" or more profound than oneself. It could take place as a marriage. It could be family oriented. Gratitude can be individual.

How-is not hardwired. I dont feel "one" by bowing. The buddhist linage I took precepts bow and other cases lay flat on the stomach in Tibetan buddhism. Its depended on culture too. A handshake or hug from an american is a bow and formal grammatical greeting to another based on age and sex from eastern cultures.

Children dont grow up being thankful. They are taught. Its not so what. Has nothing to do with (a)theism. Its why and how that supports the what.

Getting knowledge, and acquire good habits are asset of a righteous person for the revealed religions, that is true.

Regards
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
I was talking about Divine Love [Love not love] !!!

So, enlighten me: -
Love is.....?
Devine Love is.....?

I think...

Love is an intense feeling of deep affection.
Divine Love would be an intense feeling of deep affection directed towards the divine.

Worship is the feeling or expression of reverence or adoration for a deity.

So I would say that if you don't have any love for anything of a divine nature, then you don't have any divine love. Maybe someone would say that you cannot love your wife unless you love the divine nature that exists within her, but I think it is wise to let you be the judge of that.

Everything I tried to worship, I ended up finding fault with. Maybe I expected too much, but if I am going to worship anything what I worship would have to be without fault.

God can be whatever you want God to be so I suppose it is possible to imagine a God without fault to worship. However just because you've been able to define the perfect being make the being real.

Worship to me seems without purpose except to create a kind of self-gratification of having a relationship with perfection.

I don't think perfection is a prerequisite to worship, nor is it a prerequisite to love. Perhaps the pursuit of perfection is a pursuit of self-gratification.

I prefer to call it communing with God, but worship is what is best for all of us. That doesn't mean that everybody feels the need for worship, people can lose their way and not be in touch with that.

I agree, communing is something different from worship. Well said.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
I heard a Christian claim this but I have mixed feelings about the statement.

On one hand, I know I have a very deep desire and need for worship. The ectasy and pure ananda of worshipping Satan is... words can't do it justice. It's one of those things, that you cannot tell another of unless they too have recieved those infernal blessings of enrapture and darkness.

For me, it is as if life is escaping and filling me. It is as if I become a living sacrifice offering every part of my being, and I am rewarded with vision of the truth and power over the light and dark in that moment that Satanic energies and the self becomes one, even if for a fleeting moment.

It is pure, raw energy. And I'm addicted to my love of Satan.

But on the other hand...

I've met others who get no joy from such a thing, many even Satanists but many also atheists and even the religious! Many Satanists feel degraded by worship and atheists don't really believe in gods but maybe worship an idea but not overtly. All I have to say to other Satanists that worship isn't required, but damn does it enrich things if it's for you, I think.

For many there isn't a need, or they are forced to because of their beliefs and theology. I rarely hear of Christians and Muslims worshiping out of a need independent of their fear for Hell.

Also...

I do know of pagans, Hindus, and other non Abrahamic religious groups worshiping out of desire, without coercion or fear,but simply out of adoration. I was first introduced to this by Shaivism and as I learned more about it and adopted Trika as the missing part of my religion, I began to understand the value and fulfilling aspects of worship.

So...

Could it be that we, at least most of us, are hardwired for worship? Or do you think something else is at play, or we really are hardwired for something else that just tends to manifest as a need for worship?

I think, maybe a bit of we are hardwired, but not necessarily dominant, and that other factors might be at play. Not everyone feels a need and it's not for everyone. But for us of those it is for, it fulfills a deep aspect of our lives.


I go along with 'you are most satisfied when God is most glorified' It's like a resonance of the human soul

Why Do We Visit the Grand Canyon?
 
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