Worshiping God in Short Skirts

[Terrywoodenpic]

God spend no more time in church than anywhere else.
he is everywhere all the time.
It seems to me pointless to have a specific style of dress for church compared to elsewhere.
If you believe modest dress is required by God, not to wear it everywhere would be counter to that belief.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Who worships god in skirts, you mean other than Scotsmen? I think many women do. Women can do that anytime they want. Unless you mean in public worship places of course. All there is to is that specific religous practices have their own dressing code just like so many practices including secular ones. Or is it a crime here just because it is related to religion? Oops sorry, no one said it's a crime

 

[Milton Platt]

You don't want to distract the spiritual sense with sexuality. You go to spiritual places for spiritual experience and do not want to lose that focus. Modest dress that does not attract attention is best.

So should women be dressing like first century AD middle eastern women?

 

[George-ananda]

So should women be dressing like first century AD middle eastern women?

No, but on the conservative side for their culture would be best.

 

[Skwim]

Who worships god in skirts, you mean other than Scotsmen? I think many women do. Women can do that anytime they want. Unless you mean in public worship places of course. All there is to is that specific religous practices have their own dressing code just like so many practices including secular ones. Or is it a crime here just because it is related to religion? Oops sorry, no one said it's a crime

Just to be clear, the issue of the thread isn't one of what a church should or should not do, but the question of why it does what it does: Why is dressing in a particular way in church so important?


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[columbus]

Just to be clear, the issue of the thread isn't one of what a church should or should not do, but the question of why it does what it does: Why is dressing in a particular way in church so important?


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The other question is "Why is packaging the assets so important to people that a knee length skirt is considered oppression?"
Tom

 

[Skwim]

The other question is "Why is packaging the assets so important to people that a knee length skirt is considered oppression?"
Tom

Not following you.


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[Kelly of the Phoenix]

True. I have watched Naked and Afraid for the first time and I can see that nakedness is natural, although it does sometimes stimulate an opinion of the people's shapes. The editor does blur the few parts like they do and so it would be hard to tell if seeing those might cause sin in me. To look at naked men and women, but not at their reproduction parts, is like looking at art I think.

I'm a nurse who has seen enough elderly parts to make me wonder how anyone can still want sex in that profession.

However, we nonetheless did eat the fruit and thus there are standards of modesty which must be met when nudity isn't appropriate.

But it's a lie that nudity was a sin. NO ONE told them it was. They made it up. It's the ironic thing about eating the fruit: you start seeing EVERYTHING as a moral issue when it just isn't.

 

[Glaurung]

But it's a lie that nudity was a sin. NO ONE told them it was. They made it up. It's the ironic thing about eating the fruit: you start seeing EVERYTHING as a moral issue when it just isn't.

No one is saying that being unclothed is in and of itself a sin.

If you're trying to argue that we'd all be happier if society became nudist, then fine but that's not relevant to anything I'm talking about. As long as most of us go about our public lives clothed, then the question of how we use clothing to present ourselves is important. Including questions of modesty, propriety and self-respect.

 

[Mindmaster]

God spend no more time in church than anywhere else.
he is everywhere all the time.
It seems to me pointless to have a specific style of dress for church compared to elsewhere.
If you believe modest dress is required by God, not to wear it everywhere would be counter to that belief.

Life is so much easier as a pagan... Throw on a robe, do it naked, no one cares. If your concept of divinity includes a notion of oneness then the whole argument is silly, as you are a tiny divine spark yourself and don't need to ask anyone permission. The real riddle behind Crowley's, "Every man and every woman is a star."

 

[columbus]

Not following you.


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Probably because you have no respect for a community with religious connection.

If we were talking about a job interview with a professional organization, you probably would grasp why a bit of dress code matters. If you showed up at your accountants office to find a woman in a bathing suit saying,"take a seat", she'll be with you soon, you'd probably decide that this isn't the accountant for you. Because the staff don't take your culture seriously, why would they take your finances seriously?

It's the same at church. If someone is more interested in their clothes than the community they probably shouldn't be there at all. They are not likely good members of the community.

A skirt below the knees and a shirt with a collar and sleeves is not oppressive.
Tom

 

[Skwim]

Probably because you have no respect for a community with religious connection.

prob·a·bly
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adverb
adverb: probably
as far as one knows or can tell.
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Which ain't sayin' much for your reasoning skills. (Actually, I see religion as vital to the mental health of its practitioners, and therefore do respect its function in a community). But that's okay, you'll see it as you need to.

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If we were talking about a job interview with a professional organization, you probably would grasp why a bit of dress code matters. If you showed up at your accountants office to find a woman in a bathing suit saying,"take a seat", she'll be with you soon, you'd probably decide that this isn't the accountant for you. Because the staff don't take your culture seriously, why would they take your finances seriously?

And I do: it's because people doing business with other people require that everyone involved conform to the same standards. Why? because it's simply the way they want it. "We want you to wear a blue suit, white shirt, red tie, and shined black shoes to work because that's the way we want it. Will it make you more capable? No. Will it make you more efficient? No. However, it will it make you more acceptable to those we do business with, who also demand it's employees dress like you. "

So this is the reason: It greases the wheels of cooperative enterprise.

It's the same at church.

Really? Think about it. What's to be gained by a church in insisting that one dresses in a particular way? In the business world it's quite obvious. In the world of church attendance, not at all.

If someone is more interested in their clothes than the community they probably shouldn't be there at all.

And I agree. Churches have yet to show a need for insisting on dressing in a particular way: No skirts above the knee. No jeans. No dress straps narrower than two inches. So why should people go to an organization the requires them to dress in a certain way for no good reason at all? I certainly wouldn't---I despise irrational dictatorial institutions. And from the posts made here so far, it comes down to nothing more than, they just want it that way! Period. No better explanation.

A skirt below the knees and a shirt with a collar and sleeves is not oppressive.
Tom

Of course it isn't. Nor is it oppressive to a church to allow its members to wear skirts above the knees and shirts without a collar and no sleeves. Considering the purpose of a church, from what I can see, how one dresses doesn't affect it at all. All of which takes us back to my opening question:

"why is dressing a particular way in church is so important?


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[columbus]

What's to be gained by a church in insisting that one dresses in a particular way? In the business world it's quite obvious. In the world of church attendance, not at all.

As I pointed out earlier, you don't understand communities unless you personally value them. You understand why a professional office has a dress code, but not a religious community.
Tom

 

[Skwim]

As I pointed out earlier, you don't understand communities unless you personally value them.

What a bunch of bull twaddle. This is like asserting that to understand starving people one has to be starving themselves.

You understand why a professional office has a dress code, but not a religious community.
Tom

No I don't, hence my question:

Why is dressing a particular way in church is so important?
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Care to take a shot at it, other than just saying "It just is"?


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[idav]

Anyone care to explain why dressing a particular way in church is so important?
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It is likely a misapplication of Matthew 5:28 which states people who lust after a woman already commit adultery in the heart. People need to be able to control their minds not control how women dress. If people are committing adultery in their heads all day I'll just say perhaps their heart is not in the right place, particularly if they are claiming to be christian. Showing more skin than usual shouldn't be an issue or I wouldn't know how the person would live in society without conflicting with the mentioned verse.

Some religions, as I'm sure your aware, take it as far as covering women from head to toe, which is the extreme of what I'm talking about. What do those folks do when a woman shows a little ankle? So to me it is a lot of a given cultures fault for creating a preoccupation against nudity and sex in general, and depending on the extremes can result in equally abhorrent behavior. Lusting isn't exactly the worst thing a person can do in my opinion but thoughts lead to actions so people need to control their thoughts best they can.

 

[idav]

As I pointed out earlier, you don't understand communities unless you personally value them. You understand why a professional office has a dress code, but not a religious community.
Tom

I once worked for a place that had to implement a dress code, for women, which I don't really care about particularly but thought the reasoning "people can't get work done" kinda ridiculous but I was like "what ever".

 

[columbus]

What a bunch of bull twaddle. This is like asserting that to understand starving people one has to be starving themselves.


No I don't, hence my question:

Why is dressing a particular way in church is so important?
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Care to take a shot at it, other than just saying "It just is"?


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I've been to Christian worship services in the nude. Several times.

Different communities have different dress codes. I would no more wear pants to a naturist community's event than I would attend Easter Vigil Mass at the local RCC's event without a collar and sleeves.

It is just basic respect for the people around you.

Your ethics don't seem to be that sophisticated.
Tom

 

[Skwim]

It is likely a misapplication of Matthew 5:28 which states people who lust after a woman already commit adultery in the heart. People need to be able to control their minds not control how women dress. If people are committing adultery in their heads all day I'll just say perhaps their heart is not in the right place, particularly if they are claiming to be christian. Showing more skin than usual shouldn't be an issue or I wouldn't know how the person would live in society without conflicting with the mentioned verse.

Some religions, as I'm sure your aware, take it as far as covering women from head to toe, which is the extreme of what I'm talking about. What do those folks do when a woman shows a little ankle? So to me it is a lot of a given cultures fault for creating a preoccupation against nudity and sex in general, and depending on the extremes can result in equally abhorrent behavior. Lusting isn't exactly the worst thing a person can do in my opinion but thoughts lead to actions so people need to control their thoughts best they can.

I agree. And, the issue here it isn't just about showing more skin, and inch of leg above the knee or bare upper arms, but all dress restrictions: No jeans. No dress straps narrower than two inches. No slacks.


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[McBell]

I agree. And, the issue here it isn't just about showing more skin, and inch of leg above the knee or bare upper arms, but all dress restrictions: No jeans. No dress straps narrower than two inches. No slacks.


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Seems some "communities" feel the stricter the dress code, the more it shows their devotion to god.

The thing is, does their god really care how strict they are?

 

[Skwim]

It is just basic respect for the people around you.

Your ethics don't seem to be that sophisticated.
Tom

Okay. Obviously you can't latch onto the issue here, but thank you for your input anyway.


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