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Would God allow a false prophet to claim a new Law and commandments?

danieldemol

danieldemol

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Trailblazer said:
It does, and that is why they can make their claims.
But Imo God would not allow millions of people to be misled by them.
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The Quran is saying if they attribute any saying to God that is not true God will sever their artery, that is not allowing them free will to make their claims without a drastic temporal consequence.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Ayjaydee said:
And yet you claim 84% must indicate the correctness of a concept
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I did not claim correctness, I said "it would be illogical and preposterous" that that many people are wrong about religion.

I said: All the world's great religions did not originate from man. That is illogical and preposterous. That would mean that most of the world population is wrong about God, since, 84 percent of the world population has a faith.

If that many people were wrong, that would mean most people in the world are wrong about religion.
Now turn it around and tell me how 14% of the world population could run the world.

By the way, Buddhism is included in the 84%.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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danieldemol said:
The Quran is saying if they attribute any saying to God that is not true God will sever their artery, that is not allowing them free will to make their claims without a drastic temporal consequence.
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I do not know much about what is in the Qur'an but I have heard it is pretty harsh. That is one reason humanity needed a new religion, the Baha'i Faith.

On the other hand, maybe that verse was not intended to be interpreted literally. If it was, then we would see people with severed arteries all over, but I do not see any.
 
Ayjaydee

Ayjaydee

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Trailblazer said:
I did not claim correctness, I said "it would be illogical and preposterous" that that many people are wrong about religion.

I said: All the world's great religions did not originate from man. That is illogical and preposterous. That would mean that most of the world population is wrong about God, since, 84 percent of the world population has a faith.

If that many people were wrong, that would mean most people in the world are wrong about religion.
Now turn it around and tell me how 14% of the world population could run the world.

By the way, Buddhism is included in the 84%.
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Didnt say correct just illogical and preposterous that it was wrong or incorrect!! Lol
Spare me your word games
 
danieldemol

danieldemol

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Trailblazer said:
I do not know much about what is in the Qur'an but I have heard it is pretty harsh. That is one reason humanity needed a new religion, the Baha'i Faith.

On the other hand, maybe that verse was not intended to be interpreted literally. If it was, then we would see people with severed arteries all over, but I do not see any.
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According to my understanding @InvestigateTruth is interpreting it quite literally.

Is that a correct perception InvestigateTruth?
 
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PruePhillip

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InvestigateTruth said:
I am not asking if God allows a false prophet just to claim to be a prophet of God! I believe He does allow such false prophets.

But, would God allow a false prophet to come up with certain commands and laws by himself, and claim he is revealing commandments, decrees, ordinances and laws from God and demand everyone to obey and follow his book, he claims to be from God?


Quran says, it cannot happen:


"And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart" Quran 69:44-46

If you believe in Jesus, or Yahiwa, but you don't believe Muhammad, what was Jesus or God doing, when Muhammad was claiming such things. Why your God didnt cut Muhammad's heart artery so, he doesnt misguide them?


What does your scriptures say? If you believe in a God, but no scriptures, you can still bring your reasoning, why would the Powerful and All knowing you believe, allow, someone speak on His behalf, and make them obey a commandments, thereby allowing His people to get misguided?
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Are you giving authority to the Quran? Islam is a movement started by a violent warlord pedophile
and drew upon Arab traditions and the Jewish/Christian holy books. It has no more validity than the
book of Mormon.
 
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Trailblazer said:
I do not know much about what is in the Qur'an but I have heard it is pretty harsh.
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On the other hand, maybe that verse was not intended to be interpreted literally.
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I agree with Muslims who assert that a translation of the Quran is not the Quran. There's always a problem of translation for two reasons. One is that the translation can often reflect the views of the translator. The other is that man words and phrases can't easily be translated.

One secular example: the word "light". It means both illumination and weight. So if it's used in a scripture to be translated into a language which has separate words for illumination and weight, which do you choose knowing that either choice is incomplete?

A classic problem of translating the Quran is illustrated in one famous/infamous section 17:104. If you read multiple translations, you'll see that the verb tense is different. And in more than one translation, the meaning is that the state of Israel is a marker that we're living in the end times of the Old Humanity.

One translation of 17:100-104 is: "Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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PruePhillip said:
Are you giving authority to the Quran? Islam is a movement started by a violent warlord pedophile
and drew upon Arab traditions and the Jewish/Christian holy books. It has no more validity than the
book of Mormon.
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Islam is a world religion founded by a Prophet of God who had an independent revelation from God through the Angel Gabriel. It is not founded on the Jewish/Christian holy books just because Muhammad referred to them. It has more validity than the Book of Mormon because Joseph Smith was not a Prophet of God.
 
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