Would hillary make a good president?

[Spiderman]

What do you think?

HUGE reward if you give me your thoughts!

(Okay, I can't really edit the poll, so, Great in this poll will have to mean fine , good, better than Ok ...

Meh...means, unimpressive, Ok, not taken by her, lesser of the two evils, im not interested)

 

[fantome profane]

I think she will make a fine President. I don't know about "Great", but I think she will do much better than "meh". I think she has been preparing her entire adult life for this job. I think she has the experience, I think she has the intelligence, I think she has the temperament. I think she will be very good.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Bad. We need someone to catch us up to the modern world, not dawdle around with money interests to gain one more penny before death.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What's a good president?

 

[Spiderman]

okay sorry guys....that poll is quite lacking....So fine and good shall be in the great poll...my bad....there really should have been a happy medium between great and meh

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Although futile just vote for a third party. The US is gonna have a terrible run despite who actually get's elected so may as well have your own mini-revolt against the two party system.

Or y'know, don't waste your time voting.

Not voting for Hillary is the same as voting for Trump. Voting for a third party is a waste of time and divisive, and not voting is meaningless. So you may as well just say that you want Trump in the White House.

As for the poll, I voted "meh". It will likely be more of the same, but with Obama's sort of progressivism. Way better than the frightening neo-fascist hell Trump threatens us with, no doubt.

 

[columbus]

Godzillary is a vicious old political battle axe, who will stop at nothing to achieve her goals. She will lie and launch missiles and sweet talk and anything else that works for her, personally. She is the total USA politician, she learned how to do this the long hard way, and she's good at it. She also has Slick Willie in bed with her, in the most literal possible way. They are the most powerful couple in the 21st century.
Does anybody pay any attention to Mrs Putin, or Mr. Merkel, Mrs. Netanyhu or Mrs. Trump?
No.
Because the Clintons understand power. They are ruthless and rich and don't have any reason to care about the wishes or beliefs of anyone who is not in their camp.

I keep cheering on Bernie, because only he can sway Billary from the path of neoLiberal to true justice. This could happen.
Hillary wants to leave a legacy. She wants to go down in history as the Lincoln of her time. She needs the BernieBros to do that, and she needs to defeat the Trumpettes.
Since even the GOP is against the trumpettes, I think she will.
But then, I thought that the GOP could defeat Trump in the primaries. They managed to exclude him totally in Colorado, losing tons of support from solid Republican voters. I live in Indiana, where Trump defeated the Republican party! It was awesome, watching it on the news.


Hillary is going to kick butt. I don't like her and don't want her to be President, but she is better than the other choices. I trust her to be a ruthless b*tch when it comes to Putin, Exxon, WallStreet, Iran, the Chinese, and everybody else.

It's what she does. She does it well.

Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I honestly can't tell the difference anymore.

Indeed.
Voting for one of the big two parties, a third party, or just not voting are all equally meaningless

How nihilistic and apathetic of you. I can't take this seriously.

 

[Mindmaster]

She can't find the undelete button in her e-mail program. Two-thumbs way down.

 

[Spiderman]

Godzillary is a vicious old political battle axe, who will stop at nothing to achieve her goals. She will lie and launch missiles and sweet talk and anything else that works for her, personally. She is the total USA politician, she learned how to do this the long hard way, and she's good at it. She also has Slick Willie in bed with her, in the most literal possible way. They are the most powerful couple in the 21st century.
Does anybody pay any attention to Mrs Putin, or Mr. Merkel, Mrs. Netanyhu or Mrs. Trump?
No.
Because the Clintons understand power. They are ruthless and rich and don't have any reason to care about the wishes or beliefs of anyone who is not in their camp.

I keep cheering on Bernie, because only he can sway Billary from the path of neoLiberal to true justice. This could happen.
Hillary wants to leave a legacy. She wants to go down in history as the Lincoln of her time. She needs the BernieBros to do that, and she needs to defeat the Trumpettes.
Since even the GOP is against the trumpettes, I think she will.
But then, I thought that the GOP could defeat Trump in the primaries. They managed to exclude him totally in Colorado, losing tons of support from solid Republican voters. I live in Indiana, where Trump defeated the Republican party! It was awesome, watching it on the news.


Hillary is going to kick butt. I don't like her and don't want her to be President, but she is better than the other choices. I trust her to be a ruthless b*tch when it comes to Putin, Exxon, WallStreet, Iran, the Chinese, and everybody else.

It's what she does. She does it well.

Tom

What basis do you have for saying she is a war hawk other than her supporting the war in Iraq?

I say that because I'm curious not to be condescending or disagree

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Let's say I go out and vote. Ordinarily I guess one could make the "lesser evil" argument, however, in my opinion there isn't a lesser in this scenario.
Let's say there was a lesser evil I liked, which would be rare.

My vote isn't going to change much, election results are decided along long before the vote takes place.
Me voting for the candidate in the currently rigged corporate system isn't going to be significant to change the election, and even if by some witchcraft my vote changed what candidate was elected I wouldn't really care much because the same corporations own each candidate so the candidates both support incredibly similar platforms. Even in the event that a candidate who believed exactly what I believe was elected and they had no corporate motive, the system is set up in a way that halts change and ultimately will never lead to the societal changes I would support, even if congress was completely on their side.

My belief is not rooted in nihilism or apathy. We must support change in other ways.

Rowan, America is not on the verge of a communist revolution. That's just something to accept. You have to be practical. The system isn't going to change anytime soon. But I have no idea how you can make the claim that Clinton is anywhere near as bad as Trump is, and basically doing nothing to keep Trump out of the White House is the answer. Because you're basically saying that you don't care if a neo-fascist is in the White House.

 

[jeager106]

NO!
But she has more gonads than the guy we have now.
Better than Trump?
I'm conservative. May the conservative god's forgive me..............
YES.
Now I almost feel guilty.

 

[columbus]

What basis do you have for saying she is a war hawk other than her supporting the war in Iraq?

I say that because I'm curious not to be condescending or disagree

Libya, Syria, Israel, Iran, what war has she ever staunchly opposed?
Hillary is fine with war. She is a hawk. I am not.
The USA is a violent nation, quite willing to visit death and destruction when it suits our "policies". I would rather have a President that is good at it than one who does it badly, like Bush.
I would rather have one that won't do it at all. But that isn't an option, given the US electorate and their views.
Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Trump isn't a neofascist, a proto-fascist perhaps, but you are just contributing to the liberal fearmongering used to unite the "left" into a pro-war conservative candidate.

I didn't say doing nothing to keep Trump out of the White House was the answer. I merely mean to say there isn't an answer. The winner was decided a long time ago.

You don't have any idea how I can think Hillary is as bad as Trump? She's a liar who's lying is prominent among politicians , she's riddled with scandal, funded by Saudi's and corporate entities, hides her true feelings regarding the LGBT, has continually advocated for the prosecution of Julian Assange, legal action to be taken against WikiLeaks both due to previous leaks and the massive amount of evidence that should be being used to rightfully get her indicted, and she has very similar tactics as the Trump when it comes to how she manipulated the system to clear the other candidates out of her way.

Other reasons to dislike Hillary besides the things which make her similar to Trump?
She is the war candidate, advocates gun control and changes her opinions every few minutes.

Nothing will ever make me support her.

Okay, so Trump's virulent racism, hatred of Muslims, hatred of women, promotion of violence, hatred of the concept of free press, plan to violate human rights, etc. aren't as concerning to you as half-baked conspiracy theories? A Marxist sounding like a right-winger who listens to too much Alex Jones. First time for everything, I guess.

Well, it really doesn't matter if you support her or not, since you're a 16 year old Canadian (I don't mean it as an insult or anything, just pointing out that you obviously can't vote in the US election). It's as irrelevant as who I think should win elections outside of the US. I'm voting for her, though.

 

[sun rise]

I vote yes. She's been the subject to sexism, "Clinton derangement syndrome", lies and deliberate attempts by Republicans to smear her over and over and over and over again. She's proven herself to be capable of handling all that has been flung at her. Is she perfect? Have you ever met a perfect person. Of course she's done dumb things, everyone has. If you're looking for perfection, look toward divinity. I found this piece right on the mark: https://medium.com/@michaelarnovitz/thinking-about-hillary-a-plea-for-reason-308fce6d187c#.qrr8scw5v

Here's some parts of that piece - read it all:

The title of the piece was, “America loves women like Hillary Clinton — as long as they’re not asking for a promotion.” In the article Ms. Doyle asserted that, “The wild difference between the way we talk about Clinton when she campaigns and the way we talk about her when she’s in office can’t be explained as ordinary political mud-slinging. Rather, the predictable swings of public opinion reveal Americans’ continued prejudice against women caught in the act of asking for power…”

...1) Honesty — I...Hillary is a politician, and like all politicians she is no stranger to “massaging” and/or exaggerating the truth. And yes on occasion she will let loose a whopper. But is she worse than other politicians? As I’ve already discussed, the evidence suggests that she is no worse, and actually better, than most other politicians. Internet videos like the “13 minutes of Hillary lying” appear to be mostly examples of Hillary changing her position over several decades, combined with annoying but typical political behavior. But similar videos of Donald Trump exist showing him doing an even more extreme version of the same thing. Why is he not being accused of this type of mendacity? In fact there is very little dispute that Trump has been SIGNIFICANTLY less honest on the campaign trail than Hillary. According to Politifact he is in fact the least honest candidate they’ve ever analyzed!
...
General Petraeus on the other hand, while he was Director of the CIA, knowingly gave a writer, who was also his mistress, a series of black books which according to the Justice Department contained, “classified information regarding the identities of covert officers, war strategy, intelligence capabilities and mechanisms, diplomatic discussions quotes and deliberative discussions from high level National Security Council meetings and [Petraeus’] discussions with the president of the United States of America.” Petraeus followed that up by lying to numerous government officials, including FBI agents, about what he had done. And lets not forget that according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, adultery is itself a court-martial offense. And I remind you that none of this is in dispute. Petraeus admitted to all of it.

Petraeus’ violations were significantly more egregious than anything Clinton is even remotely accused of. And yet Republicans and other Hillary foes are howling about her issue, wearing “Hillary for Prison 2016” t-shirts while insisting that this disqualifies her from public office. Meanwhile even after pleading guilty to his crimes Petraeus continued to be the recipient of fawning sentiments from conservatives.
...

 

[jeager106]

Why? Hillary is a conservative

'Splain please?

 

[sun rise]

Why? Hillary is a conservative

Wrong - this is her position on the issues:

Based on this: http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm I don't agree with all her positions, of course, but calling her a "conservative" is an example of "Clinton derangement syndrome" and ignoring the facts including her voting record and positions.

 

[Spiderman]

Ugh.... **** politics... What a confusing conflicting mess

 

[columbus]

OK, I voted. "Meh"
Rotten to the core. Ruthless, violent, corporate, and dishonest.

And still the best option of the bunch.

It isn't her fault USA voters are what they choose. But she and Trump are the result of the process. And I think she is better at being the sort of leader that we deserve than anyone else on the ballot.
Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There was a ton of racist undertones in Hillary's 2008 campaign and her continued distaste for movements like BLM.

I'm not really a fan of the BLM movement, either.

That's a shame indeed. But Hillary is working with the Saudi's who also hate the Muslims living under them. Is she really any better?

That's just being a mainstream politician. Of course they're going to work with the Saudis. How is that worse than calling for banning a group of people from entering the country on religious grounds?

He's a sexist piece of crap but calling it hatred is over doing it. He says sexist things for buzz, habit and convenience. I wouldn't quite call it "hatred".

No, he does hate women. He insults them in vile, sexist ways, treats them as nothing other than superficial objects, has been accused of sexual assault and his first wife said he raped her. He even thinks of his own daughter as a sex object and his current wife is little more than a mail order bride and gold digger, who does pretty much nothing except stand around (she also looks eerily like his daughter and both women flank him at campaigns; very creepy).

Sort of like Hillary in all those wars.

I'm referring to the violence at Trump campaign events and the violent assaults that have been carried out by Trump supporters.

This is a fundamental part of getting elected in the American system, hardly exclusive to Trump.

Calling for banning people from entering the country on religious grounds and supporting torture is a "fundamental part of getting elected in the American system"? I don't recall Obama making statements like that.

What would you call "conspiracy theories" that I've said? Care to point them out individually?

Pretty much this whole paragraph:

"She's a liar who's lying is prominent among politicians , she's riddled with scandal, funded by Saudi's and corporate entities, hides her true feelings regarding the LGBT, has continually advocated for the prosecution of Julian Assange, legal action to be taken against WikiLeaks both due to previous leaks and the massive amount of evidence that should be being used to rightfully get her indicted, and she has very similar tactics as the Trump when it comes to how she manipulated the system to clear the other candidates out of her way."

Just sounds like paranoid conjecture, similar to the conspiracy theories about Obama.

Not strictly a Marxist, just a leftist. Who is Alex Jones?

A right-wing "patriot" conspiracy kook who likes to bloviate very loudly into a microphone.

Oh damn, you got me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It doesn't really matter if you support it or not either, since your just a man with one vote and not enough money to have any influence over electoral politics.

I used to believe that an individual's vote doesn't count, as well, but they actually do count: http://www.oberlin.edu/ocyvote/votecount.html

Especially since I live in Ohio, a swing state. So voting is pretty important in my circumstance.

Go for it if it helps you sleep at night.

It surely does, because at least I tried.

I find it interesting you accuse me of Nihilistic thinking in this thread, once upon a time, it was me warning you of straying too close to that sort of thinking.

Yes, I have been nihilistic at times and I've been open about that.