Would Jesus Christ participate in interfaithism?

[ManSinha]

Before I respond, do you mind telling me how you quote what I said in segments and respond in segments? I think that's very helpful.

You can highlight the segment you want to reply to - the Quote / Reply function appears

If you have several quotes you can select quote - which will turn the + into - indicating it is on the "clipboard" and then you can place them into your reply and even rearrange their order or you can use reply to individually "stack" statements you want to reply to

 

[Prophetic_Response]

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You can highlight the segment you want to reply to - the Quote / Reply function appears

If you have several quotes you can select quote - which will turn the + into - indicating it is on the "clipboard" and then you can place them into your reply and even rearrange their order or you can use reply to individually "stack" statements you want to reply to

Thx! I'll try that

 

[Trailblazer]

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:12 KJV

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:24 KJV

1) Bases on these Scriptures, would Jesus Christ participate in interfaithism?

2) Should Christians who follow Jesus Christ participate in interfaithism?

(I'm not going to debate anyone, I'd just like to read your response. I may relocate this topic to debate later.)

1) Bases on these Scriptures, would Jesus Christ participate in interfaithism?

John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Since Jesus knew He was the only way to the Father, He might associate with those who did not believe that if He was looking to bring people of other faiths to the Father.

2) Should Christians who follow Jesus Christ participate in interfaithism?

If they believe that Jesus is the only way they might want to associate with those of other faiths to bring them to Jesus, just as Jesus might do. However, they would have to be cautious not to be led away from Jesus and the Father by those of other faiths who have false beliefs and worship false gods because they could lose their salvation if they were led astray by these believers.

All that said, I believe that Acts 4:12 and John 14:6 applied only to the Dispensation of Jesus.
Dispensation

1. the divine ordering of the affairs of the world.
2. an appointment, arrangement, or favor, as by God.
3. a divinely appointed order or age:

Definition of dispensation | Dictionary.com

I believe that Jesus was the only way to the Father during the Christian Dispensation, but I do not believe that Jesus is the only way anymore because three Messengers of God have appeared since Jesus, providing other ways to the Father.

 

[Trailblazer]

Do you have any Scriptural basis for this? Interpreting Jesus' example is one thing, but clear doctrinal teaching is another.

With all due respect to the Christian religion, I do not believe that the "doctrinal teaching" of Christianity has anything to do with what Jesus taught. It is miles and miles away from the historic basis of Christianity.

Christianity, with its man-made doctrines and dogmas, is not the religion of Jesus. It strayed far from the original teachings of Jesus and it became the new religion of Paul. Jesus never claimed religious worship for Himself and was not worshiped in the original community. By making Jesus into the risen Christ, Paul transformed the ‘Faith of Jesus’ into ‘Faith in Jesus.’ The centerpiece of Christian doctrine was that of Redemption, something of which Jesus Himself knew nothing. This was the ‘Fall’ of Christianity, that Paul with his Gospel became the core of Christian dogma formation, and conquered the world, while the historic basis of Christianity was declared a heresy.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:12 KJV

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:24 KJV

1) Bases on these Scriptures, would Jesus Christ participate in interfaithism?

2) Should Christians who follow Jesus Christ participate in interfaithism?

(I'm not going to debate anyone, I'd just like to read your response. I may relocate this topic to debate later.)

I suspect that Jesus would have limited interfaithism as he would probably still hang out with the Jews, as he was a Jew himself. Probably in the same way that Paul did?

Christians maybe could do the same with Jews, but only them pretty much.

 

[Muffled]

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:12 KJV

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:24 KJV

1) Bases on these Scriptures, would Jesus Christ participate in interfaithism?

2) Should Christians who follow Jesus Christ participate in interfaithism?

(I'm not going to debate anyone, I'd just like to read your response. I may relocate this topic to debate later.)

I believe I wouldn't be limited to those two verses. I believe Jesus would interact and most likely debate a person who is in error. For instance he interacted with the Samaritan woman and addressed the issue of where to worrship.

 

[Muffled]

The Christ Avatar is the source so why should he favor one of his "children" over any other?

I believe he bestows favor on those who have a great love for Him and put great faith in HIm like Abraham.

 

[Muffled]

I don't even think he would participate in contemporary Christianity.

I believe I certainly do.

 

[Father Heathen]

I believe I certainly do.

 

[Brickjectivity]

1) Bases on these Scriptures, would Jesus Christ participate in interfaithism?

Yes. That is, I'm confident he would most certainly meet with, eat and drink with and break bread with people of other faiths. I'm confident he would urge them to do the best with what they had. I'm certain he would not condemn but only encourage them.

2) Should Christians who follow Jesus Christ participate in interfaithism?

Yes. The spirit is like the wind which goes where it wills. We don't know where it comes from or where it is going. If this were not the case then we should all convert to Judaism, follow the protocols and learn at the feet of human masters.

 

[Prophetic_Response]

I believe I wouldn't be limited to those two verses. I believe Jesus would interact and most likely debate a person who is in error. For instance he interacted with the Samaritan woman and addressed the issue of where to worrship.

Yes, interacting w/ people in error is fine, even good for sharing the truth w/ them, but interfaith does not interact for the sake of proselytizing or leading one to the saving knowledge of the truth through Jesus Christ. Interfaith is to remove the most fundamental doctrine of Christianity, which is Jesus Christ as the only way to salvation. Interfaith will be the one world religion in Revelation.

 

[Windwalker]

Yes, interacting w/ people in error is fine, even good for sharing the truth w/ them, but interfaith does not interact for the sake of proselytizing or leading one to the saving knowledge of the truth through Jesus Christ. Interfaith is to remove the most fundamental doctrine of Christianity, which is Jesus Christ as the only way to salvation. Interfaith will be the one world religion in Revelation.

I think those who are choosing to participate in such dialogs, already see that there is truth in other religions that is found in their own. They're already convinced of that. Those dialogs don't exist to convert people away from exclusivist thinking. They wouldn't be there if they still thought that way, unless they were there as self-appointed missionaries to save these souls from the error of their beliefs.

I'm looking forward to your response to my previous post you said you were working on, now that this thread was moved to the debate section.

 

[ManSinha]

which is Jesus Christ as the only way to salvation

Other than a statement in John 14:6 - asserting that - you got nothing - prove it in a manner a non biased observer can appreciate otherwise I can throw this back at you - from the Gita

BG 7.21: Whatever celestial form a devotee seeks to worship with faith, I steady the faith of such a devotee in that form.

BG 7.22: Endowed with faith, the devotee worships a particular celestial god and obtains the objects of desire. But in reality I alone arrange these benefits.

So I could very well say it is Lord Krishna - the very embodiment of the Universe itself - that provides Jesus with his power - an assertion similar to the one you alluded to

So please do not go claiming exclusivity - there is not any

 

[Prophetic_Response]

Oh, lay it on me. But be forewarned, keeping posts short has always been a challenge for me.


Right. I know.


That depends. I'd need to see some examples.


Out of curiosity, are you associated with the "Oneness" movement? The "Jesus Name" folks? That would be quite interesting to me, if so.


Yes, this is something I say all the time.


Cool. Look forward to it.

I relate to Pentacostal Oneness or the Jesus Only doctrine in that I believe in the Godhead, not necessarily the doctrine of theTrinity and I believe we should be baptized in the name of Jesus as demonstrated in Acts and NT.

 

[Prophetic_Response]

Amen.


I would agree with this. But upon which lines do you draw that? I'll draw towards the line of Love. Will you choose the line of Law, perhaps?


Sure. Same meaning as to what I said. To come to "The Father" or God, you must come through the Spirit of Love. Absolutely true.

What is love? God is love. Ask homosexuals what love is and they have their own definition. Opinions on what is love vary as much as opinions on anything else, but Scripture defines what love is.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 Corinthians 13:4‭-‬7 KJV

Love is great, but REAL love does not rejoice in iniquity, it rejoices in the TRUTH. What is Truth?

(I believe) Jesus is the Truth and everyone on the side of truth listens to Him.

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
John 17:17 KJV

 

[Prophetic_Response]

With all due respect to the Christian religion, I do not believe that the "doctrinal teaching" of Christianity has anything to do with what Jesus taught. It is miles and miles away from the historic basis of Christianity.

Can you back up your beliefs about Christianity w/ Scripture?

Christianity, with its man-made doctrines and dogmas, is not the religion of Jesus. It strayed far from the original teachings of Jesus and it became the new religion of Paul. Jesus never claimed religious worship for Himself and was not worshiped in the original community. By making Jesus into the risen Christ, Paul transformed the ‘Faith of Jesus’ into ‘Faith in Jesus.’ The centerpiece of Christian doctrine was that of Redemption, something of which Jesus Himself knew nothing. This was the ‘Fall’ of Christianity, that Paul with his Gospel became the core of Christian dogma formation, and conquered the world, while the historic basis of Christianity was declared a heresy.

 

[Prophetic_Response]

Other than a statement in John 14:6 - asserting that - you got nothing - prove it in a manner a non biased observer can appreciate otherwise I can throw this back at you - from the Gita

BG 7.21: Whatever celestial form a devotee seeks to worship with faith, I steady the faith of such a devotee in that form.

BG 7.22: Endowed with faith, the devotee worships a particular celestial god and obtains the objects of desire. But in reality I alone arrange these benefits.

So I could very well say it is Lord Krishna - the very embodiment of the Universe itself - that provides Jesus with his power - an assertion similar to the one you alluded to

So please do not go claiming exclusivity - there is not any

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 24:35 KJV

You say there is no exclusivity. Based on your opinion?

Jesus Christ and the Scriptures are what I base my beliefs on b/c I am a Christian. I believe Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible are the ultimate standard of truth that surpasses any opinion or man-made worldview that contradicts it.

 

[ManSinha]

You say there is no exclusivity. Based on your opinion?

Jesus Christ and the Scriptures are what I base my beliefs on b/c I am a Christian. I believe Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible are the ultimate standard of truth that surpasses any opinion or man-made worldview that contradicts it.

The fact that the majority of the world does not believe as you do is plain enough evidence that there is no exclusivity - it may exist for you personally which is fine - but others may have a different worldview.

All you got are opinions - that "I believe" is your opinion that you are entitled to - don't profess to tell others what to believe

Other than a statement in John 14:6 - asserting that - you got nothing - prove it in a manner a non biased observer can appreciate otherwise I can throw this back at you - from the Gita

I made it plain that I had a contrary opinion - none of us have proofs - so your claim is hollow other than your faith and belief - and you did not respond to my statement - underlined, colored and italicized above. Remember assertions are just that - not facts

 

[Windwalker]

I relate to Pentacostal Oneness or the Jesus Only doctrine in that I believe in the Godhead, not necessarily the doctrine of theTrinity and I believe we should be baptized in the name of Jesus as demonstrated in Acts and NT.

Very interesting. I knew from just your one reference in an earlier post, to "no other name under heaven", that you were associated with them. Like recognizes like.

This will be an interesting dialog with you. Keep me honest.

 

[Trailblazer]

Can you back up your beliefs about Christianity w/ Scripture?

I do not believe that the scripture supports the Christian doctrines as they are written because I do not believe that Jesus taught anything that are reflected in the Christian doctrines. For example, Jesus knew nothing of original sin, that is a Christian doctrine, and Jesus never referred to Himself as the King Messiah yet that is a commonly held Christian belief. Moreover, Jesus never promised to return to earth, Jesus said His work was finished on earth and He was no more in the world (John 17:4,11), yet Christians believe Jesus is going to return. Christians also believe that Jesus is God, but Jesus never claimed to be God, He denied it. There's more, that is just for starters.