Would you believe in Shia Islam if its End Time Prophecies Occured?

[Vinayaka]

Like @Vinayaka above, I sort of don't understand why a prophet would make much of a difference.

Whatever expectations you have in Islaam (or maybe it is more of a Shia thing?) are simply not very natural to me.

It occurred to me that if I didn't believe he came the first time, (and I don't) how in heck could I believe in him coming a second time? Like many of these kinds of arguments, it starts with a debatable assumption. The Abrahamic paradigm is filled with these assumptions.

 

[Firemorphic]

NO ....I'm the return of Baha'u'llah!

Is this gonna be a war then?

 

[danieldemol]

According to Shia traditions, the Mahdi will be to respond to all those questions. As a side note, we don't believe God will punish someone eternally because they were acting exactly like God had created them to act. Punishment and reward are only applicable where you have the choice to choose right or wrong.

I’m under the impression that there is still potential for infinite punishment for finite crimes though. So there would still be a question in there.

 

[MonkeyFire]

I have my own religion and there can only be one God.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

A Racer bar is a copy of a Snickers Bar and sold buy Aldi Stores. Nuts and Toffee and Chocolate. Anybody would door-knock for one.

What on Earth is a Biker Bar?

Oh please, if you want the best ice cream bar known to human taste buds check out the American ice cream company, Haagen Dazs, that calls their newest creation ,"the newest shape of extraordinary", and boy do I agree.

https://www.haagendazs.us/products/bars/vanilla-cookie-squares/

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

Oh Gawd....! I'd be one of the 'never got the message' guys.

Oh go on... on such an occasion as this, please could the door-knockers be allowed? They would get tea (or bad coffee) with a kit-kat each.

I find it rude that people knock to sell me Jesus. Their first presumption after they trespass on posted property being that the home owner is damned.
We had told JW's to please not return to our home because we were Christian.
After a year of intermittent knocks and repeating the same message to different "Sunday-go-to-meeting" clad elderly ladies, I tired of the repetition. And the disrespect. What? You don't make notes when you visit an address that tells you, please don't return?
OK.

One day during the week when I was working at home and hubby was off and fishing with friends, I saw through our huge picture window that faces the drive a large van approaching. Unmistakable, JW's rollin.
I pulled the black out drapes through the house so that all was black. Disrobed so as to be completely naked.
I grabbed the butcher knife from the block on the kitchen counter,lit candles in the living room, and waited the knock at the back door.
And I answered. Naked, holding a butcher knife straight up so as not to appear overly threatening. Wide eyes met my gaze, but not one woman holding a watchtower copy moved a muscle. I admired that.
Then I turned my head and shouted into what they did not know was an empty house, "HONEY? The candidates for the human sacrifice to Satan have arrived."
I turned my head back to the ladies, stepped aside so as to leave a pathway into the house visible from the doorway and said very gently, "Please, do come in."

That was five years ago.
We've not been bothered since.

 

[Shia Islam]

Very interesting topic and responses..
I would add this about the Mahdi prophesies..

Although I am a Hashemite Arab, I would say the following that the Arabs won't like:
The Shia Hadith is clearly mentioning that most of the Arabs won't believe in the Mahdi!

This point was strongly emphasized by one the most prominent Shia Hadith righter, who wrote a book about the Mahdi, more than one thousand years back..

His name is al-Nua'mani, and the book title is "Al-Ghaiba", that is the occultation..

So why most of the Arabs won't believe in the Mahdi win he returns?!!
I will let you think about it!

 

[Jumi]

I don't want to go into detail about the Prophecies. But let's just say he performs the impossible (miracles) then claims he has been sent by God. Would you accept his claims, or would you need more proof?

Good thing about secular and scientific minded people is that we tend to accept things with good proof, even if our beliefs about reality ran counter to what we are presented. That is how I changed from atheist to theist in a short time, experiencing God.

Would you accept it if there was "miracles", but according to another religion? It's an interesting exercise. Without knowing specifics, it could be any religions prophecies that we don't already believe in. Of course we accept proof, modern people are like that.

 

[Niblo]

Is this gonna be a war then?

Too true!!

 

[oldbadger]

Hi Oldbadger,

long time no see

In your opinion what is more decisive, the accomplishment of multiple impossible miracles even if their idea of peace and justice is different from that of yours, OR their idea of peace and justice even if they cannot perform any miracles?

The question and choice of answers offered leaves me with Peace and Justice out of the two.
I would support peace and justice ......

 

[oldbadger]

I find it rude that people knock to sell me Jesus. Their first presumption after they trespass on posted property being that the home owner is damned.
We had told JW's to please not return to our home because we were Christian.
After a year of intermittent knocks and repeating the same message to different "Sunday-go-to-meeting" clad elderly ladies, I tired of the repetition. And the disrespect. What? You don't make notes when you visit an address that tells you, please don't return?
OK.

One day during the week when I was working at home and hubby was off and fishing with friends, I saw through our huge picture window that faces the drive a large van approaching. Unmistakable, JW's rollin.
I pulled the black out drapes through the house so that all was black. Disrobed so as to be completely naked.
I grabbed the butcher knife from the block on the kitchen counter,lit candles in the living room, and waited the knock at the back door.
And I answered. Naked, holding a butcher knife straight up so as not to appear overly threatening. Wide eyes met my gaze, but not one woman holding a watchtower copy moved a muscle. I admired that.
Then I turned my head and shouted into what they did not know was an empty house, "HONEY? The candidates for the human sacrifice to Satan have arrived."
I turned my head back to the ladies, stepped aside so as to leave a pathway into the house visible from the doorway and said very gently, "Please, do come in."

That was five years ago.
We've not been bothered since.

I find it rude that people knock to sell me Jesus. Their first presumption after they trespass on posted property being that the home owner is damned.
We had told JW's to please not return to our home because we were Christian.
After a year of intermittent knocks and repeating the same message to different "Sunday-go-to-meeting" clad elderly ladies, I tired of the repetition. And the disrespect. What? You don't make notes when you visit an address that tells you, please don't return?
OK.

One day during the week when I was working at home and hubby was off and fishing with friends, I saw through our huge picture window that faces the drive a large van approaching. Unmistakable, JW's rollin.
I pulled the black out drapes through the house so that all was black. Disrobed so as to be completely naked.
I grabbed the butcher knife from the block on the kitchen counter,lit candles in the living room, and waited the knock at the back door.
And I answered. Naked, holding a butcher knife straight up so as not to appear overly threatening. Wide eyes met my gaze, but not one woman holding a watchtower copy moved a muscle. I admired that.
Then I turned my head and shouted into what they did not know was an empty house, "HONEY? The candidates for the human sacrifice to Satan have arrived."
I turned my head back to the ladies, stepped aside so as to leave a pathway into the house visible from the doorway and said very gently, "Please, do come in."

That was five years ago.
We've not been bothered since.

If I was a JW and evangelised near you, I would bring JWs from all around in.my white van, just to watch you blacking out your home, and I would tell them about the knife welding Christian woman that lived within.......

 

[Niblo]

If I was a JW and evangelised near you, I would bring JWs from all around in.my white van, just to watch you blacking out your home, and I would tell them about the knife welding Christian woman that lived within.......

About thirty years ago four JW's came to my father's door, Bibles at the ready. My father - a Baptist at the time - met them with a soft (and straight-faced):

'I think I ought to tell you that I'm a Warlock. Every full moon we dance - naked - around the Sacred Fire, up there in the cemetery......' (and after placing a gentle hand on one of their shoulder's)....'Feel free to join us...any time you like!'

Exit JWs.

I've always wanted to try this out for myself.

 

[Jumi]

About thirty years ago four JW's came to my father's door, Bibles at the ready. My father - a Baptist at the time - met them with a soft (and straight-faced):

That's quite funny.

It's also fun when you're working out sweating profusely and some visitors knock on the door with bibles in hand. Say it's bad timing because you've just been exercising, they think it's a good timing but change their minds when the smell of sweat arrives...

 

[Niblo]

That's quite funny.

It's also fun when you're working out sweating profusely and some visitors knock on the door with bibles in hand. Say it's bad timing because you've just been exercising, they think it's a good timing but change their minds when the smell of sweat arrives...

Mmmmmmm....just love the smell of sweat in the morning!

 

[Niblo]

That's quite funny.

It's also fun when you're working out sweating profusely and some visitors knock on the door with bibles in hand. Say it's bad timing because you've just been exercising, they think it's a good timing but change their minds when the smell of sweat arrives...

My favourite exercise is raising and lowering my eyelids fifty time before getting out of bed. On occasions, I add weights, in the form of two paperclips. At a push I can manage 25 blinks before needing a extra hour's kip

 

[spirit_of_dawn]

I’m under the impression that there is still potential for infinite punishment for finite crimes though. So there would still be a question in there.

We are tested in this world for a limited time until we die. If our intentions are to disobey God eternally, then that would lead to eternal punishment, but if our intentions are to obey God eternally, then we would be rewarded with eternal blessings.

 

[spirit_of_dawn]

Yes there is, and it is in the book of Revelation, in the Bible. I will look it up. If you do not hear from me, then remind me, please?

Reminder.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Reminder.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Revelation 13:3 KJV

 

[spirit_of_dawn]

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Revelation 13:3 KJV

Thanks!